The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

[surferjet]

Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

You'll be pleased to know I'm going to leave you to it surfer

It doesn't matter how many issues I list, you are just going to repeat your post above because you genuinely don't give a shit what the answers are.

I imagine some sort of special deal will be drawn up to keep the peace

Well, I very much hope so.

I'd like the supermarket contracts conversation to continue, too, if anyone has any insights into it they'd like to share?

I live in a farming community with lots farming friends and relatives. I Farmer near us has invested in ultra modern green houses which are really efficient and can grow tomatoes in them for most months of the year. We get his tomatoes in loads of local shops, including Tescos and even Aldi. So it really isn't difficult to get contracts with large chains for local produce.
A relative of mine grows rap seed oil and makes oil from it. It's sold in Aldi and Tescos too.

The Co op have stated they only sell and use British meat in their products so more instances of British produced food being sold.

Has there been an issue with getting British fruit and veg into supermarkets? Its fairly easy to find spuds, strawberries with union jacks plastered on the packaging.

The biggest concern with Brexit within farming appears to be replacing EU workers;

www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/09/lack-of-migrant-workers-left-food-rotting-in-uk-fields-last-year-data-reveals

The other side of the farming coin - British farmer moves fruit growing to China

It’s nice to know Brexiteers are so confident and optimistic about Brexit even though they haven’t a clue what they want to happen, they have so much confidence in the ability of our esteemed government to draw up ( unspecified) deals to keep us all happy. Must keep,those rose- tinted specs clean, they might be misting up. 😂

The biggest concern with Brexit within farming appears to be replacing EU workers

Tier 3 of the permit to work would cover that off (which was cancelled by DC) and this has been mentioned in the article.

Tier 3 Visa Overview
When the UK's employment-based immigration was split into five tiers. Tier 3 was envisaged as the Tier for unskilled migrants and intended to replace existing low-skilled immigration programmes. However, by the time the five-tier points-based system came into operation in 2008, the UK government felt there was no need for any unskilled immigration from outside the European Economic Area. It was designed to replace schemes such as the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS) and the Sectors Based Scheme (SBS) currently only available for Bulgarians and Romanians.

Consequently, Tier 3 was never operational and on 25th March 2013, Prime Minister David Cameron announced that it was to be 'shut down completely'.

I did a similar thing in my twenties with grape picking in Australia - in fact I think their system works quite well.

If EU agricultural workers will be replaced with non eu agricultural workers isn't the whole thing abit futile? I see the idea of getting Brits to do these jobs has fizzled out.

Ghost - no, I meant this is what was going be in place before DC cancelled it, now we are leaving the EU we can reinstate this tier to apply to EU workers.

Also seeing record investment both from Eu and non Eu countries to our area.

That is indeed very good news User , care to share some specifics ?

Ghost, it has never been a problem finding British food in supermarkets. What is a problem is us importing things that we could easily produce here. My example of the tomatoes is that the growing time has now lengthened so less need to import so many from Spain. Also why should we import apples from France or Flowers from The Netherlands?
I have no problem with us using workers from other countries to pick/pack. It has always been the case. My family farm still has a building called the Bothy, it was a bunk room where the Irish would live whilst at the farm for the potatoes or harvest. They were later replaced by Italian prisoners of war! The workers don't have to come from the EU though.

Oh and by the way Geri no one is paid to pick potatoes nowadays!
There are machines for that and there will be loads of machines for many of these jobs in the future.

Thing is though greenhouses have always extended the growing season of just about every fruit and vegetable we are able to grow in the UK , DH was picking tomatoes in greenhouses 40 years ago . Farmers in this area are always looking at ways to extend the growing season and improve productivity and as you have pointed out they are doing this while we are still in the EU , so I don't understand why saying it would relate to leaving Corcory ?

Gah even I don't understand that last bit

What I meant was , how does farmers investing in farming while still in the EU relate to leaving ?

Oh and by the way Geri no one is paid to pick potatoes nowadays!
There are machines for that and there will be loads of machines for many of these jobs in the future.

Oh and by the way Geri no one is paid to pick potatoes nowadays!
There are machines for that and there will be loads of machines for many of these jobs in the future.

"These jobs" i.e. the jobs many brexiters were voting to hopefully get?
This is supposed to be, you know a merry "lagoon" for Leave voters, not further messages of predicable gloom.

The workers don't have to come from the EU though.

Haha, an honest slip from a pro-Brexit business owner. I'm sure most Leave voters will appreciate your honesty :)

Anyway, so, farmers, how will the business be looking without CAP subsidies and with the Tories opening up free trade with 3rd worid agricultural markets having much lower cost and standards? I'm sure it will be fine :)

Ghost - no, I meant this is what was going be in place before DC cancelled it, now we are leaving the EU we can reinstate this tier to apply to EU workers.

I suspect it was cancelled because it would have been unpopular with a section of the voting public. Reinstating will depend on the government doing that and whether EU workers still want to come here.

I have no problem with us using workers from other countries to pick/pack.

Except that some leavers do have a problem with it. British jobs for British workers was a popular refrain.

I see the Remainers on MN can't keep a promise either, Nasty word Off.

Like Corcory my friends are investing in the Green houses, and have orders for Salad type vegtables, they see it as fields providing fast cash as some of the crops will be 6 weeks to grow and then almost everyday they will be supplying to local Supermarkets.
I think the supermarkets are going to promote the miles to store angle, and the marketing were quiet excited about the way it would come over to the general public.

frumpety - the point I am making is that the new type of greenhouses are much more efficient, save loads of running costs and extend the growing season by weeks if not months more than the old style ones your DH worked in 40 years ago.
If we grew more of the things we eat in the UK we would need to import less. Of course they could do this if we stayed in the EU but the fact that we are leaving the EU has forced the issue.

Londonmum - I have always stated that I do not agree with FOM because I find it racist in that I do not believe we should give priority to people from the EU - predominately white Christian as apposed to people from any other country. We should welcome people what ever there race, creed of nationality.

Londonmum - I have always stated that I do not agree with FOM because I find it racist in that I do not believe we should give priority to people from the EU - predominately white Christian as apposed to people from any other country. We should welcome people what ever there race, creed of nationality.

Many of us have repeated that over & over again Corcory, but sadly the same posters continue to trot that same tired line out.
Brexiter = nasty racist is a trope they are comfortable with & they cannot seem to move past it, sadly.

Ghost - Some leavers may have a problem with my stance but I am not pandering to racists.
British jobs for British people - well there are certain things I think we should change. Making it more advantageous to take on Apprentices rather than employing ready trained people from the EU on minimum wage for instance.
Cutting down on the Sports direct etc. warehouse model where they employ EU workers at min. wage, housing them in 'hostel' type accommodation under work and housing terms we in the UK would not tolerate.