The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

[surferjet]

Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

As a pp said the ECJ rules on European Union law.

People object to ECHR - those pesky human rights, and considering we had a significant input into setting up the ECHR it is ironic.

The ECHR is something that Britain can be really proud off, really proud we helped set it up and people want out without really knowing what it is or what it does. And to heap irony on irony we will still be a member if we leave the EU.

Almost one in three cases Britain has lost at the European Court of Human Rights were won by terrorists, prisoners or convicted criminals, it was revealed today

Murderers, IRA gunmen and suspects linked to Islamist terror groups like Al Qaeda are among the 94 claimants to have won 297 cases against the UK in Strasbourg since 1975

The most high profile recent case was the refusal of a Home Office order to deport hate preacher Abu Qatada - once dubbed Osama Bin Laden's right hand man in Europe

So glad we we’ll be able to deport murderers now without the EU telling us we can’t.

You have been badly misinformed by the Heil @jetsetter: ECHR is not the EU, it's been signed by 47 countries including Russia and Turkey.

So glad we we’ll be able to deport murderers now without the EU telling us we can’t.

Seriously, how thick are you? ECHR is nothing to do with the EU and we will still be in it even after Brexit. This has been repeated on here numerous times, including the two posts immediately above yours.

But that's the ECHR not the ECJ. As far as I'm aware we're not leaving the ECHR.

Also the reason we couldn't deport Abu Qatada was because he was at risk of torture. Once TM did her job properly and got an agreement torture wouldn't be used he was deported. No matter who or what someone is I don't believe in torture.

Once we leave the EU other changes can be made, that s the whole point of leaving the EU. we have more choices.
If we want to make changes to certain aspects of our membership of the ECHR we can, & we won’t have the EU telling us we can’t.

'Our plans set out in our manifesto don't involve us leaving the European Convention on Human Rights but let's be absolutely clear, if we can't achieve what we need ... I rule out nothing in getting that done.'

Mr Cameron said the problem of foreign criminals citing their convention right to a family life to avoid deportation from Britain despite repeated offences 'needs to change

Report from the daily mail back in 2015.

So if they were talking about making changes back then, just think what we can do now.

You’re happy about that surely?
Can’t see why you wouldn’t be?

Driven - you can guess the source, it starts with “Daily” and ends with “Mail”

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3201918/One-three-cases-lost-Britain-European-Court-Human-Rights-brought-terrorists-prisoners-criminals.html

If you want to have a look at the cases brought that made it to review over the last 40 years then the HoC has produced a handy research briefing:

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8049/CBP-8049.pdf

Also the reason we couldn't deport Abu Qatada was because he was at risk of torture.

That’s not quite right - the ruling was that he could not be deported to Jordan because of the risk that he would be tried there on evidence obtained by torture. The Jordanians eventually gave undertakings not to use such evidence and he was finally removed in 2013 – where he stood trial and was acquitted.

I fully expect a referendum on whether to leave the ECHR. A precedent has been set.

Theresa May would love to leave the ECHR - not being much of a student of history, if at all, she appears not to realise why we were so keen to get it established back in the late 1940s, before the forerunner organisations of the EEC/EU came into being. She has now realised that she can't just leave like that.

Excellent so other leavers please come forward to support this view....

Leaving the EU means we might be able to leave one of the most important bodies that upholds human rights. An institution we helped set up in the aftermath of WW2, one of the things the U.K. can be really proud of.

We can lead the world by abandoning human rights.

Shameful.

If we want to make changes to certain aspects of our membership of the ECHR

International treaties that other countries have agreed to don't work that way.

As you were.

OK, so we have a list from time of the things she doesn’t want, despite admitting they’ve never affected her but they ‘might’ affect her children.

mummmy continues to ignore any questions that require an ounce of thought so we’ll never know what her plan for the limbo period in between Brexit day and us actually sorting our shit out.

And surfer is aspiring to things that actually have nothing to do with leaving the EU because the DM told her about it.

And then leavers wonder why Remainers are annoyed

Theresa May might want to leave the ECHR, but the House of Lords weren’t very convinced:

The proposals the Secretary of State outlined did not appear to depart significantly from the Human Rights Act—we note in particular that all the rights contained within the ECHR are likely to be affirmed in any British Bill of Rights. His evidence left us unsure why a British Bill of Rights was really necessary.

If a Bill of Rights is not intended to change significantly the protection of human rights in the UK, we recommend the Government give careful thought before proceeding with this policy. As the former Lord Chief Justice Rt Hon Lord Woolf CH told us, the repeal of the Human Rights Act and its replacement by a Bill of Rights would be a constitutional change of the greatest significance.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201516/ldselect/ldeucom/139/139.pdf

It puzzles me that leavers claim to be so proud and patriotic and yet have so little understanding of the U.K., it's history and it's impact on the world.

Manga Carte the absolute bottom line beginning of human rights and the rule of law, our gift to the world. ECHR formed out of the tragedy of WW2 by British lawyers. These can be thrown away for imaginary half thought out ideas based on a sovereignty we haven't actually lost.

It's just so sad.

We are the only country in Europe that allows students to stop studying history at 14. Cause and effect?

So that's what you don't like about the ECHR. But what about the ECJ? I'm just particularly interested as this seems to be the reason we can't stay in the single market or the customs union.

It puzzles me that leavers claim to be so proud and patriotic and yet have so little understanding of the U.K.

"Racism + jingoism = patriotism" (C) The Heil, supporting nazism in the UK since at least the 1930s.

Yep the paper that supported Hitler wants us out of the EU.

Ohhhhhh the irony.

"Racism + jingoism = patriotism" (C) The Heil, supporting nazism in the UK since at least the 1930s.

You forgot :

• knowledge

"Racism + jingoism - knowledge = patriotism"

Yep the paper that supported Hitler

They really don't like that ... little tip if people are worried about a thread being "Mailed" ... drop that fact in.

And this picture of the owner of the Daily Mail who was quite a Hitler fan.

Bear -let’s just see how the EU develops over the next 10/15/20 years. How do you think it will look in that time? Do you think it’s going to improve our country’s prosperity and opportunities for future generations?. I think we will get further and further embedded (if that’s possible) to a point where it’s not even possible to even consider coming out, A50 will be a once only document never to be used again and we will continue to be a cash cow. Not going to take that chance thanks.

I feel even more strongly that leave is the right thing to do than ever before. This woman is not for turning.

I have posted my views on what I want from this, what I don’t want, where I see the EU going, unfortunately, a certain poster likes to paint me as thick and my opinions as insufficient and unintelligent, I don’t have time for that stupid behaviour so am checking out for today.

It just serves to highlight perfectly exactly how we got to where we are.

Ta da.

For people who despise daily mail readers, you sure spend a lot of your time talking to them.

Opposites really must attract 💕

time4chocolate so if the EU goes from strength to strength over the next 15 years how will you feel then?

@surferjet I despise the paper.

Anytime you want to tell me as a citizen of the U.K. how proud you are of our involvement in the ECHR I will be waiting.