The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

[surferjet]

Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

I see the Heil readers mainly as just the victims. The tabloid editors are expert at delivering content to the target audience in a way that's basically irresistible to that audience.

so if the EU goes from strength to strength over the next 15 years how will you feel then?

Happy for them - I don't want the EU to fail, why would I?

Similarly, I don't want the U.K. to fail - there is no reason why we can't all succeed tbh.

The U.K. has always been the problem child wrt the overall EU vision & it makes more sense to work alongside the Eu for mutual benefit, rather than being a recalcitrant bedfellow who doesn't entirely subscribe to the whole thing.

Susan - EU going from strength to strength is not necessarily a positive. In 10/20 years I would think the door to going back in will probably still be open if it’s suits both parties but will be firmly closed for leaving.

I really am off now

I have posted my views on what I want from this, what I don’t want, where I see the EU going

time, where have you posted what you want, other than it being the opposite of what you don't want?

Listing everything you don't want is rather pointless at this stage. This thread was supposed to list the positives and the solutions.

How can a positive be just not having something that didn't even affect you in the first place?

Unless you are actually saying you are prepared to accept absolutely any price for leaving as it means you avoid the things you don't want?

If that's the case it's rather extreme for something you admit didn't affect you anyway

BTW, I don't expect a reply as, yet again you post and then simply close down the discussion.

Thanks for your views on the EU going from strength to strength.

Anyone for the question on the ECJ?

there is no reason why we can't all succeed tbh.

Oh yeah, surely North America would have been so successful as 50 quarrelling and bickering nation states, and everyone would behold the rising power of 100 independent Chinese kingdoms now.

Can we assume all leavers apart from surferjet support the ECHR?

This is a really important issue.

Similarly, I don't want the U.K. to fail - there is no reason why we can't all succeed tbh.
But not one single Brexiter has explained HOW it can succeed.

We will go from Brussels negotiating the Trade Rules to the WTO
How well versed are y'all on the way the WTO works

Benefits The Torygraph told us to desire & expect.

I especially note ...

Reasons3-4, Torygraph joined rather enthusiastically in calling UK Judges the "Enemies of the People" only 5 months later.
Reason11, about supporting British industry.... Ain't allowed under WTO rules.
Reason14. Blue passports! Woohoo, so beneficial.
Reason15: no queueing behind forinners to get into UK. (lots of queueing behind forinners to get out of UK, though).
Reasons8, 13, 17, 18 & 20: Who wants to save the planet, anyway?

Yeah - but Reason 19 is a big, big plus - Farage gets sacked.

What's wrong with windfarms? I love windfarms.

Offshore windfarms are FAB : they create nature reserves in the UK's shallow seas AND power homes

But Brexiters like Rees Mogg want the UK to have the same air quality standards as India.

UKIP are very staunchly anti-windfarm. It's my number one reason to hate UKIP, actually. We were investers in a failed community-owned wind turbine project that UKIP successfully mobilised against.

UKIP want to bring back LOTS of coal fired power.

Trump is very staunchly anti-windfarm too. Apparently even a wind turbine on the horizon offshore is enough to ruin his golf course.

Bloody hell, that Telegraph article appears to be the handbook of the cult that Brexiteers are worshipping at

I want the UK to be able to spend their money where they want, not where they are told to send it.
For decisions to be made by us for us, not for something that is more suited to another country.
To not have to keep paying pensions for over inflated wages to unelected people, and the MEP's expenses are criminal.
I want our small farmers paid to produce food, not paid to not do anything.
I want us to encourage industry MORE.
But most of all I want to be Out of the EU.

mummmy any chance of you explaining how you see us coping with the transition between us leaving and us having the infrastructure to set up, for example, a virtual border.

I do not have a back ground in that kind of information Bear, I must be far bright than you as I am able to say I don't know, and to understand I don't know and to be able to deal with this without having a tantrum and demanding someone answer my questions.
I also tend to look elsewhere than MN, for answers, just a hint there.

Bearbehind
Will you ever give up interrogating ordinary people about how we deal with complex political issues that will test even our most experienced negotiators.
You come across as a bully tbh.
Just drop it fgs.
We’re just ordinary people who happen to think differently from you.

But you continually insist 'it will be fine' mummmy

You think your being big and clever by saying you don't know what will happen and you don't understand.

The fact is it is neither big nor clever to wish for something when you have no clue what it's repercussions are.

Surfer
You started a thread and wanted to hear positives
but have not offered any.
If you do not want to be questioned, do not start the conversation

I want the UK to be able to spend their money where they want, not where they are told to send it.

Do you have any idea what the market-access commitment and the market-access limitation rules are under WTO?
Do you realise that the UK cannot decide who to treat with favour, and invest in, under the Most-favoured-nation (MFN) treatment rules but will be told what they can and cannot do?

surfer, one difference observable on these threads is that many people who voted remain back up their opinions/assertions/desires on 'complex political issues that will test even our most experienced negotiators' with links to studies, surveys and figures, while many of those who voted leave do not.

It is not bullying to ask someone who thinks differently to provide a similar level of backup for their arguments as you yourself have provided. Any understanding of others' viewpoints can only possibly be reached through a meaningful discussion with each party engaging at similar levels.

No surfer I won't give up.

Just because you genuinely don't give a shiney shite what happens next, doesn't mean others are going to feel the same.

I'm baffled by the esteem in which you hold our negiotiatiors; you appear to think they have superhuman qualities which mean they can resolve the impossible conflicts here.

If none of you have even the most basic idea of how the issues can be resolved, how do you expect these people to resolve the minutiae.

To give an example you might understand; you don't need to be a brain surgeon to understand that if someone has a brain tumour, it needs to be removed.

You don't need to know the details how to do it, to understand what is required.

Also, loving the use of the 'bully' card there.

That's about number 6 in the Leavers bumper book of excuses not to engage in meaningful discussions.

To not have to keep paying pensions for over inflated wages to unelected people

Wow you want to stop paying pensions to our civil service. That will make you very unpopular.