The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

[surferjet]

Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

I, for example, may or may not be educated ;-). But I have worked in multiple EU countries to date. Previously, my pension was fine as there are agreements within said EU countries about these things. At the moment, nothing at all is agreed and we just have to be optimistic about it. What about my pension, I cry! Well it will all be sorted and super even though we don;t have the slightest idea. I'm moving in with Surfer if they fuck it up.

Sorry but we don't have answers on MN your asking in the wrong place.

Please research your options and address your question to someone who does know. as on MN you will not find anyone who is in the know....

mummmy
What has sheltered housing got to do with Brexit?
other than the fact that it will become un-affordable without a steady supply of EU migrants

TheyBuiltThePyramids can you not combine all your pension into one fund? That is protected, it might be worth talking to a financial adviser.

Your asking what I want to see in the future, and how to help the NHS.

Well the backlog of elderly, that don't need 24/7 care is causing major monetary problems, and this would help to solve the problems.

If we built more homes, it means there is employment and skills being learn, which in turn creates wealth and by freeing up bigger homes you also allow the youth of the country to progress. More houses means more materials used, so creates industries to supply the demand..

mummmy
But none of that has ANYTHING to do with the EU.
It could be done before 2019 if there was political will.

What do you want to see from leaving the EU?

Money save spent on building homes...
Freeing the NHS from having to care for elderly who don't need to be in a hospital...

See even when I tell you what I want you tell me I'm wrong.

Point proved, you never want to listen.

Mummmy - but that as Talking said, that is nothing to do with the EU. And as for putting my pension in one fund. That is how it is now. In one fund. You voted for "fuck knows" and call me names for being upset about it,

Talkinpeace
So are you also hoping to get the UK out ofNATO ?
What about the Commonwealth?
What about the WTO?

Since when have leaving those three been up for discussio?

Are you still married, or do you consider long happy marriages to be something to run away from ?

If you are referring to the EU then I would question the long happy relationship.

What GOOD THINGS to you expect to happen when we leave the EU ?
What do you actually WANT ?

It’s not so much a case of what do I want but what I don’t want, a few examples below:

1. I don’t want a centralised hub of power being in Brussels, one size fits all is not going to work for the future
2. I don’t want FOM and I want jobs on a need basis and on a level playing field
3. I don’t like the QMV voting system
4. I don’t like the unfair payment structure of the CAP
5. I don’t want the ECJ
6. More direct accountability, when Juncker says “Prime ministers must stop listening so much to their voters and instead act as ‘full time Europeans’”I say no thanks but there is nothing I can do about it.
7. I want us to move forward as a country, doing what works for us without having to take into consideration 26 other countries.

If leaving the EU puts a stop to 1-6 and we are free to do 7 then I will have got what I want.

Sorry for delayed response, was being a teen taxi service.

So time, how have all these points affected you to date?

Theybuilt they don’t affect me but they may well go on to affect my children and future generations.

I'd like to see your list of how these things have negatively affected your life or that of your community.

They "might" affect your children? Which bits?

Theybuilt See my previous post

Well you're children loosing their right to move and live around the EU may well affect them in the future.

You haven't explained how any of these things affect you, in fact you say they don't, but they might affect your children. In what way?

And what are the BENEFITS of leaving? Surely it is about what you do want and not what you don't at the end of the day?

17 million expressed a preference to Leave 20 months ago. Some for more money for the NHS - for which they have been sorely disappointed, because there isn't sufficient political will to really sort out the problems of an aging population and new, more expensive treatments. Some voted for Sovereignty but basically TM has told them they were conned because we never lost it. Some voted to stop FoM/reduce immigration and as already said, some people will be bitterly disappointed to see more black and brown faces replacing predominantly white ones. Some voted to give Cameron a kick in the teeth, and OK his political career has been wrecked and for a man who wanted to be PM because he thought he'd be good at it, it must be extremely galling that history will probably remember him as one of the more stupid PMs.

But lets go back to the NHS. The sort of work which should be happening is that we know we will have a shortage of Drs because of EU staff leaving, rest of the World staff coming up against visa restrictions, and UK born staff retiring. It ought to be possible to ask each medical school how many additional candidates they would be happy to accept as suitable to train as doctors. It then ought to be possible to work out how much lab and lecture hall space is required, how many extra teaching staff and produce some costings. The various schools take different approaches to introducing students to the wards - some start almost straight away, others not for a couple of years. It ought to be possible to work out how much extra support each hospital would need to give. I am quite sure if some of us were working in the finance department of a University medical school we could begin to make working estimates. But, I don't see that work being done, and furthermore, it is not a short term fix - it is at best a 10 year programme. It could be done, but the will isn't there. We could train enough doctors if we chose and be able to export them whilst staffing our own NHS. It would be really good to give something back to those parts of the world which we were happy to exploit as Empire.

Those are the sorts of things I would like to see Leavers championing and I am not talking about bods on MN. I am talking about those in authority - the problem is x, we will tackle it with y and it's likely to cost z, but not the hogwash from Fox, Davis, Rees-Smug who despite there expensive educations come across as a bunch of total incompentents. As for the inane ramblings of BoJo, I really don't know why Leavers aren't up in arms about being let down by him. I don't think stag parties in Tallinn are exactly going to solve any problems.

I have already answered that - if we get 1-6 (there are others) that will be what I want to get from leaving.

The benefits will be 7.

Thank-you time4chocolate for actually posting something of substance. As it happens, I tend to agree with you on 1, 4 & 6, but believe the alternatives (WTO) put us in a far worse position, but that's something only time can tell.
However, to go back to the OPs original post " if you see solutions instead of problems ", I've yet to see any solutions to the problems leaving the EU raise, for example we now have 58 weeks to come up with a workable solution for our borders, especially in Ireland? The "it'll be alright on the night" attitude doesn't fill me with any confidence.

Mummy sorry not ignoring you , needed to get some sleep as back at work today

The sort of places you describe are around today , a lot are under the management of Housing Associations in my area , not sure what the rents are but could find out quite easily , certainly significantly less than the £1200 a week for a ensuite room in a residential home . The LA residential home which provides respite care is closing in the next couple of months . The NHS/LA has taken to paying for beds in a local residential home to use as rehab /step down beds , not sure if they are paying the £1,000 + a week rate though , during the winter crisis months .
The problems with beds in the NHS and the aging population could have easily been forseen , people have not simply started living 10 years longer in the last couple of years , this has been happening since the 1970's , the reduction in the number of beds has been huge , so it should come as no surprise that there is a shortage .
The bed crisis wouldn't have occurred if there had been a more joined up approach to where people who need continuing rehab and recuperation would be able to go post the acute phase of illness .
Personally I think we could find cheaper residential care if we looked a bit outside the box , cost of living is cheaper in areas of Spain , we could do 4 week rehab/recuperation packages there , take over a hotel for some of the winter months , only slightly joking about this solution, I actually think it could be workable , but unfortunately only whilst a member of the EU

So a quick search and full board for 4 weeks in a hotel in Benidorm is just a smidge over £2,000 , could be done a lot cheaper if you come to some sort of arrangement with the hotel group , economies of scale and all that . Just need a working group to go out for the weekend and see how the rooms can be equipped /furniture moved to be fit for purpose . That actually costs about the same as putting in three care visits a day to some poor soul living on their own !
They would definitely need to pack a cardi or three though.
I bet there are people on here who could get the cost right down , throws down the gauntlet

Ok for those willing to accept the challenge , room wise , twin would be better as you can remove one of those beds , bathroom , showers better as can put a shower stool in , easier for access . The entrance to the hotel needs to be level or have disabled access ( ramp) . A lift is essential . Does not need to be Benidorm , that was for price comparison . Would suggest short haul though

Could someone explain to me the issue with the ECJ? I'm honestly not being goady. I see everyone saying the ECJ is a red line but it doesn't bother me at all. So I'd really like to know why it's such a red line for everyone.

The ECJ ruled that offering women driver's lower insurance premiers was discriminatory.
However, I think a lot of people confuse the ECJ with the European Court of Human Rights, even though it pre-dates the EU, and a lot of it's founding principles are British in origin.