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The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

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surferjet · 12/02/2018 08:35

Good morning Smile

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K. Wine
The countdown begins.........

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FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 14/02/2018 22:25

Thats the problem though talkin there is no social leave voice - its pretty much taboo

After the Ref I was on a fb group (spin off from MN) for 'quiet leavers'.

They were mostly people that were afraid to 'admit' to having voted to leave in their social circles & at work, as the backlash from remainers was so awful.

These are the quiet majority who should be heard - they were intelligent, reasonable, nice people - not fanatical, not racist, not far right etc.

Sadly they don't speak out at all & it's a crying shame.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 14/02/2018 22:29

If remainers want a reasonable discourse, then they themselves need to be reasonable.

If you lash out repeatedly, expect people to lash back in return initially - keep on lashing out & they'll just get fed up & disappear in the end.

They'll still be there in the ballot box though - the quiet leaver - just like they were in 2016.

virtualreality · 14/02/2018 22:34

Corcory.

I have nothing personal against you or anyone else.

But do you not think that the Government and their negotiators should be spelling out these things to everyone? You know, keep us informed of great strides in the negotiations and how well things are going etc.?

It is not your job to do this is it?

That is where the problem is. A vacuum.

Corcory · 14/02/2018 22:42

Virtual - What are you talking about?
The premise of the thread is for leavers to talk about their thoughts on solutions. Not remainers going on and on about problems!!
I was answering questions from a remainer, I forget who.

Have you not been following the threads at all ?
How often has Bear et al demanded answers from leavers?

Of course the Government tell us if they have anything to say about how the negotiations are going. But they are not negotiating at the moment.

virtualreality · 14/02/2018 22:49

I think you doth protest too much.

Corcory · 14/02/2018 22:59

What a load of crap, you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about.

virtualreality · 14/02/2018 23:02

Do you?

Peregrina · 14/02/2018 23:05

The question for me, is why isn't the Government negotiating? Time is tight, a tightness caused entirely by TM's actions it has to be said, but they ought to be there banging on the door and insisting on negotiating.

virtualreality · 14/02/2018 23:06

Perhaps they don't know what they want to negotiate for.

CardinalSin · 15/02/2018 00:36

"After the Ref I was on a fb group (spin off from MN) for 'quiet leavers'.

They were mostly people that were afraid to 'admit' to having voted to leave in their social circles & at work, as the backlash from remainers was so awful."

The fact that they felt they needed to hide or were embarrassed to admit that they voted leave should tell you something in itself...

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 15/02/2018 01:47

The fact that they felt they needed to hide or were embarrassed to admit that they voted leave should tell you something in itself...

It does, you're right.

It tells me exactly what they themselves told me, and what I saw & read all over MN & social media.

Angry remainers being utter cunts to leave voters.
Racist, Nazi, stupid, ignorant, xenophobe etc - people on fb declaring that 'if any of my friends voted to leave then I suggest you remove yourself from my fb & avoid me in rl because I don't want anything more to do with you' etc etc.

People simply don't want to put up with shit like that & so they remain quiet about it.

You want reasonable discourse & engagement?
Be reasonable & engage.

It's really very simple.

Bearbehind · 15/02/2018 06:37

One of the leavers who up thread explained many my views and solutions for border controls, the NHS, FOM etc. etc.

corcory wrt border controls all I’ve seen you do is refer to a KPMG report which contains no actual detail and mention a virtual border which has been pointed out numerous time requires a huge investment and wouldn’t be ready quickly enough even if we did chose that route.

TBH I actually have more time for posters like mission who admit the referendum was over for them on 24th June (much as that notion appals me) than I do for those who keep whining that they’ve answered the questions Remainers are asking.

Coming up with an aspirational, fantastical solution that might work but would cost a fortune and is nowhere near existence, is not an answer to a situation which needs to be resolved now.

Bearbehind · 15/02/2018 06:40

You want reasonable discourse & engagement?
Be reasonable & engage.

faith you know that’s simply not true. You and most of the others in here alternate between excuses not to engage in discussion.

Just on this page your latest excuse is you’re bored.

YTho · 15/02/2018 06:46

With the right people in charge, we might have a chance. The current bunch doesn't fill me with hope. Shouldn't there be more of a cross party committee for the negotiations? It might help remainers feel a bit more positive. This shouldn't just be a tory project.

frumpety · 15/02/2018 07:08

Cross party involvement , well that is an idea , would any other party want to be involved at this point though ? I think giving MP's the right to vote on the final deal is seen as a bad thing by a lot of leavers or so the media would have you believe , so I'm not sure if their involvement during negotiations would be welcomed by the 52% ?

The issue is with what the 52% actually want or need to happen as a result of leaving for it to remain actually leaving in their opinion . 48% of those who voted are already unhappy with the outcome , if we were to remain in the CU , how many of the 52% would be unhappy ? If we remain in the SM and CU how many of the 52% are going to be unhappy with the outcome ? If we are in neither the CU and SM how many of the 52% are going to be unhappy ? Whatever happens I think you are always going to end up with more people who voted being unhappy with the end result Sad

frumpety · 15/02/2018 07:39

If I were in charge , now would be the time to present the various options to the UK public , look at the strength of feeling relating to each option and try and move forward from there . Not sure how leavers would feel about this ?

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surferjet · 15/02/2018 07:47

Good morning leavers Smile Brew

Yes, I’m afraid this thread has gone the way of the Brexit Arms, & is nothing but bitter angry remainers coming on here to lash out at us. I should have known this thread would be a red rag to a bull but I thought I’d at least give it a go.
Nothing will ever change on this board no matter what we say, so we’ll see this thread out & that’s it.
The fanatics will never be happy about Brexit & will still be attacking leavers in 20 years time. They’ll blame everything that goes wrong in their lives on us.
They don’t want to leave the EU & that’s it.
So, I’m going to give them a big V sign from the cliffs of Dover & totally ignore them from this day forward.

Wine to all brexiteers & fellow optimists.

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Globetrotter100 · 15/02/2018 07:59

Got any solutions yet? 😂

frumpety · 15/02/2018 08:03

To be fair Surfer I haven't attacked anyone and I want solutions as much as leavers , I think most remainers do Smile

Bearbehind · 15/02/2018 08:04

So, I’m going to give them a big V sign from the cliffs of Dover & totally ignore them from this day forward.

That doesn’t even make sense. Hmm

If you’re going to quote your beloved BJ at least get the context right.

What is the point a giving Remainers the v sign from the cliffs of Dover?

Are you off somewhere?

DrivenToDespair · 15/02/2018 08:06

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frumpety · 15/02/2018 08:09

They’ll blame everything that goes wrong in their lives on us.

Points accusatory finger at Surfer and all the other leavers , so it was you lot who broke my deep fat fryer was it ? Leaving the EU and now no real chips ( that counts as cooking from scratch , right ?) , how could you ? Angry

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surferjet · 15/02/2018 08:13

Bear. Stop trying to be funny. You’re no good at it.

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DrivenToDespair · 15/02/2018 08:15

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Bearbehind · 15/02/2018 08:15

I wasn’t trying to be funny surfer I was pointing out that your attempt to be funny didn’t work at all because it didn’t make any sense.