The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

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Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

The KPMG sales pitch? Considering the government budget for management consultants to support Brexit implied a day rate well below that of a decent qualified business analyst, I think we can safely say that even if the UK, EU and Non-EU were inclined towards the principles, it would not take off. As well as the lack of funds, top tier management consulting is a global industry by definition and general rule of climbing the career ladder is to avoid shackling yourself to projects which are losers. P.s. I don't know anyone in this profession who disagrees with the Deloitte report and fair play to KPMG doing what it's done here.

DrivenToDespair Quite. In a previous life I was a project manager, so feel slightly qualified to comment. The idea that, within 13 months, we will have a working, fit-for use customs system in place on borders is laughable, we don't even know what the requirements are yet!

It is inevitable that there will have to be a transition period where we effectively remain in the customs union whilst whatever solution is designed, built and tested, and if any recent government projects are anything to go by, we'll be in that union for at least the next 10 years.

As a simple example, Universal Credit was announced in 2010, supposedly launched in 2013 and is not due to be fully delivered until 2021 - 11 years on. At least there was the old benefit system in place to take the load - we don't have an 'old' custom system to fall back on, unless we look to the 18th century Customs Men.

Frumpety, yes I think a vote for the final deal would be good as well. Anything to show that this is being done with consideration for the long term future, perhaps finding a centrist view. I wish there was more of a tradition of coalitions in our politics. I think that this two party system isn't doing anyone any favours.

Despite everything, I'm still hopeful that we'll be able to come out alright if not exactly on top.

Would have been happy to engage with fellow leavers as was the premise for this thread - but as per, it was hijacked by the same old hysterical whiners, banging on & demanding ANSWERS!!

Usual yawn-fest of bilge.

And yet here you are, faith...

I too can confirm DrivenToDespair's analysis of IT projects. We got our new Finance system in in time for Y2K, starting to work on in it earnest in 1997-98. It wasn't until 2007 that we finally sorted out all the snags and got it tuned to our exact requirements, finally signing the project off. This was starting with an off the shelf package, where many accounting functions are absolutely standard, but other bits and pieces were unique to us.

It could be done, and it may be the way forward, but it won't be done by March 2019 and it won't be done without a very clear spec as to exactly what needs to be done. But hey, what do we know - we are or were just experts in the IT field.

Bloody experts, coming here dispelling Brexit illusions, killing unicorns, neutralising fairy dust and irreversibly eating the cake.

I think the silent leavers have been hiding as they voted and now are waiting to see what they requested happen.
I think the most telling comment was more people than have ever before voted to leave, never has any other vote had this many people agree on a decision.
Yet because it is a case of us becoming more global than EU it is seen to cause anxiety for the Remain, who refuse to move forward and stay glued to their desire for what is now behind us.
It;s true you need to stop all the resentment and start looking for thinks that will be happening.
Your views are valid, in that yes the infrastructure and the laws need to change, but that's just it . There will be changes, it's not going to mean we fold and walk back, we will have to adjust and rearrange, borrow laws and alter them as needed to make progress.

Saying but you can't do this, or that isn't going to stop it happening, it just means you state A needs Changing, B needs Changing..
The Uk is changing ..

Mummy2017 where are you from originally? SE Asia is my best guess. Nothing wrong with that, it's just that you are not really representative of the Leave voter base which in fact might be less excited about globalisation than you are.

Mummmy, I agree that the UK is changing, that's why we have to apply pressure on the government to ensure that it is changing for the better, or at least not for the worse. That's why a cross party approach would be the most helpful.

I'm about as British as you can get about 20 Generations of pure english. Sorry but if you speak to the older leavers you will find Global Trade is what they think will be the future. not clinging to the EU which has only been 40 years of our history.

YTho yes the change element should include all sides of the Parties, as in 5 years it could be Labour in charge, I think this may be why the Vote the other day was passed.
I personally think the NHS should be managed cross party anyway, and so not used as a weapon in election's, We always wondered why something like a Tesco for supplies couldn't be set up, where goods are purchased at discounts for the massive amounts purchased, and then it would simply be a case of a delivery hub system...

I'm about as British as you can get about 20 Generations of pure english.

All you are really saying is that your immigrant bloodline is older than others, but not as old as it could be.

Incidentally. "pure English" is an oxymoron on every level.

Even the language isn't ...

I dont know any silent leavers

Im not on face book though so maybe thats it

Peregrina, I think you are right about setting up systems. It really would be highly unlikely they would be ready for March 2019 but after a transition period? I think that is do able.

I think that the dependence on Dover as the main entry point may well change and we may well get more things shipped from the EU in containers to other ports, especially further north.
As an aside some of our EU exports are actually only transiting through the likes of Rotterdam to other parts of the world but are counted as being exported to the EU! So we export less than we thought to the EU.
For Ifailed can I just state that I am not an idiot. I was stating that only 8% of our total trade - including all we do within the UK is with the EU. Not 8% of our international trade. Please don't forget we do most of our trade within these isles. Something SN seems to conveniently forget when she is all too keen to detach Scotland from rUK!

Are there 20 generations of pure English?

How far back would that go?

So assuming 20 years old

Thats times 20 right? 400 years?

FIL thinks that he can trace his family back to william the conquerer...i think that in his case it's bollocks

I think that the dependence on Dover as the main entry point may well change and we may well get more things shipped from the EU in containers to other ports, especially further north.

How are our more northerly ports set up in terms of receiving volumes of goods, and in terms of complex import processes (I'm assuming importing will be more complex whatever Brexit deal we come out with).

Genuine question, BTW; I have no idea of the state of UK seaports.

FIL thinks that he can trace his family back to william the conquerer...i think that in his case it's bollocks

www.theguardian.com/science/commentisfree/2015/may/24/business-genetic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford

I'm about as British as you can get about 20 Generations of pure english
The chances of the 1,048,576 people who you can count as your ancestors of being 'pure english' is so slim as to be negligible, unless you all lived somewhere with absolutely no contact with the outside world for the past 400 years. Anyway, the point is irrelevant.

It;s true you need to stop all the resentment and start looking for thinks that will be happening. I agree with you here, and I think this is what so many people find so infuriating, the vote was 20 months ago, and we leave in less than 13, yet still some of the most fundamental aspects of what life will look like are still undefined.

A cynic might think that the Tory party are deliberately being obtuse and unforthcoming in what will be, because they know that they cannot deliver an exit from the EU in the timescales they set, or are they just inept?

Genuine question, BTW; I have no idea of the state of UK seaports.

All turned into luxury flats.

DG

Im not bloody showing him that!

Rufus 20 generations would take you back to around the mid 14th Century and theoretically gives you over 1 million direct ancestors.

We went back about 6 generations and the city we originate from is middle of England,
So since that's about 200 years, and most people before this time would not have looked much further than local area, think I am pretty safe to safe saying I'm of English decent.
I think you will find before the EU people were used to ships full of goods arriving from the Common Wealth, and this may be why they are more global in their thinking.

Christ!!

I was quite happy just timesing 20 by 20

My mum was illegitimate so i think my unbroken family line is already ballsed up

Sorry i know this is irrelevant, its just quite interesting

20 generations would take you back to around the mid 14th Century and theoretically gives you over 1 million direct ancestors.

The problem is, I'd wager any self respecting Brexiteer will simply dismiss that as "expert" nonsense, and insist it's their feeling that counts (which intersects with another phenomenon des nos jours ....)