The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

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Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

The resentment is towards North Africans because that's where the influx is coming from in that area. The UK has the same resentment to Europeans for the same reasons as those in Calais. Not as extreme I hope.

Nope, it's because they are from what were once French colonies. I am 100% sure that if more citizens from our ex-colonies come to replace the mainly E Europeans who are ceasing to come, the same resentment will be manifest. Some of us are old enough to remember the 'No Blacks, No Irish' days.

To discuss positives - the collapse of the Tory party?

But wouldn't you be sick of constantly being questioned over something that for you was done and dusted over a year ago?

mission I kind of admire your honesty but I'm dismayed by it too.

It explains an awful lot though.

DGRossetti
I already have a blue passport. It has an eagle on the front.
Brexiters should be careful what they wish for

I already have a blue passport. It has an eagle on the front.

I think that's what some of the wealthy Brexiteers secretly want.

But BoJo gave his up

so I would really welcome your views as to how a frictionless border can be achieved by leaving the CU

virtualreality, I've been asking the same question for months; at least twice just today.

The answer is Leavers neither know nor care how the NI border situation can be resolved.

Ironically, if as I suspect will happen, we end up with Brexit In Name Only precisely because there's no other solution to NI, I suspect Leavers might wish they'd given it a bit more thought.

Maybe we will be quieter and smaller, less prosperous, slower, more homogenous, whiter, poorer but less conscious of our relative poverty. Maybe for some, there will be a 'coming-together' (blitz style) as things get harder but at the same time less inspiring and more ordinary. And even though we are poorer, it will be a comfort to know that others have lost out - on the value of their homes, their chances to live and travel freely, their children's prospects and so on. What is 'positive' is entirely subjective - and a purely private business. There are many 'positives' of brexit seen through this lens.

@Bearbehind.

Good to know that you and others are at least thinking about this aspect.

It may be the rock on which it all perishes, as both sides in the North, and the ROI Government all want a seamless border, and it has to be allowed under GFA.

Anyway, we shall see what happens.

'whiter'

Yep with proportionally more Commonwealth immigration your wet Brexiter dream will come true for sure. In the meantime you can come visit some parts of London any time you need an insight into this process :)

londonmum The point is that there are lots of people whose positives are not the same as yours or mine. I do think it will make us less homogenous in the long term, and more reactionary, because it sends such a strong message that we want to look inwards and that foreigners are not wanted. Maybe 'whiter' is the wrong word. Certainly less racially diverse.

"Maybe we will be quieter and smaller, less prosperous, slower, more homogenous, whiter, poorer but less conscious of our relative poverty"

• All of that is bad except for the last bit, which definitely won't happen as the chief Brexiteers are all rich and stand to get richer as the disaster capitalists (Legatum, who are driving the government at the moment) take over and workers protections are thrown on the bonfire of regulations to enable them to make even more profit.

"And even though we are poorer, it will be a comfort to know that others have lost out"

• So very nice people then, enjoying the misery they've inflicted on other people and their children. About sums Brexiteers up...

cardinal sin I do think some people see a positive in the loss of benefits enjoyed by others - a perceived 'levelling' of cosmopolitan types who had it coming. I suspect one of the reasons why some brexiteers struggle to articulate a positive example of a benefit is because so much of it is an emotional response linked to identity, status and self worth, and that some of the 'positives' are a bit shame-inducing. Of course I could be completely wrong.

I suspect one of the reasons why some Remainers struggle to articulate a positive example of a benefit is because so much of it is an emotional response linked to identity, status and self worth, and that some of the 'positives' are a bit shame-inducing. Of course I could be completely wrong.

So TM is asking other countries fir the answers to her homework here

And same story here

The only good thing is it seems to mean TM has woken up to the fact the NI issue needs to be resolved as a matter of urgency.

Maybe the Leavers round here might do so too, whilst also realising 'we'll sort something out' isn't going to wash.

I suspect one of the reasons why some Remainers struggle to articulate a positive example of a benefit is because so much of it is an emotional response linked to identity, status and self worth, and that some of the 'positives' are a bit shame-inducing. Of course I could be completely wrong.

Was that supposed to be funny or ironic faith because it fell flat on its face on both fronts

Many of the Brexiters I deal with have many, very real, grievances
but the things they are angry about are all the result of Whitehall decisions
and have nothing to do with Brussels.

I am not sure how they will react when they fully grasp that folks like Rees Mogg will shaft them far more viciously than the Eurocrats ever did.

I am not sure how they will react when they fully grasp that folks like Rees Mogg will shaft them far more viciously than the Eurocrats ever did.

They will continue to follow the cult that is Brexit and simply blame the EU for 'punishing us'

I.e., not allowing us to have our cake and eat it.

It should be possible because we are so 'special'

The % you are talking about are the % of exports we have but most of our trade is done within the UK and only 20% of our trade is exported. So 40% of 20% is 8% of total trade.

Sorry, but that's bullshit, and you know it. Our international trade with the EU is not 8% as you claimed, why not grow up and admit a mistake?

Maybe we will be quieter and smaller, less prosperous, slower, more homogenous, whiter, poorer but less conscious of our relative poverty.

Maybe if we finally realise that our Empire is finished for good, and we stop pretending we are a global force, then that might be a bonus.
If BoJo, Rees-Smug, Deadwood Redwood eventually get cleared out of politics that will also be good. As long as the younger people coming through are better and less self serving than the current crop.

Agnes I thought we had banned live animal exports , apparently we did , but re-introduced them in 2006 , not sure why though ?

Within the EU the UK could make live animal exports effectively impossible
but it chooses not to
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42340677