The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

[surferjet]

Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

The ending of Freedom of Movement pleases me about Brexit to answer your question

Could you tell us why?

How has FOM adversely affected you?

Bearbehind I do. I guess it's down to a difference of opinion.

To answer your second question many parts of my city have become too ghettoised. A curtailing of Freedom of Movement would have stopped that happening and escalating. I hope that the abolition of this leads to more integration.

missionitspossible
I advise public sector bodies on a weekly basis.
When they are making a policy change I always tell them to focus on what they do want rather than what they do not

So, you do not want Freedom of Movement
What do you want to replace it - bearing in mind the sort of jobs that migrants do are not ones that Brits want?
do you want more people from Asia, or Africa, or South America to do those jobs?
or do you want to do them yourself?

Another thread shut down by Bear c'est la vie

I haven't shut the thread down at all.

That's yet another tried and tested Leavers cop out, blame me for you lot not being able to defend your points.

corcocory surfer and time have all claimed today I'm not answering their questions, yet when I do and when I ask questions in return, I'm shutting the thread down.

Yet another example of the riduculous logic and double standards of the Leave argument.

TalkinPeace

Reduced, controlled immigration.

To answer your second question many parts of my city have become too ghettoised. A curtailing of Freedom of Movement would have stopped that happening and escalating. I hope that the abolition of this leads to more integration.

Are these 'ghettos' all EU immigrants?

How do you think the integration can be achieved given those already here would be allowed to stay and controlled immigration will still happen?

How do you think the integration can be achieved given those already here would be allowed to stay and controlled immigration will still happen?

I'm not sure it can. It might be too late. It never should have been allowed to spiral out of control like it has.

That said, I won't consign to the argument for Freedom of Movement being basically "Well it's happened now, the ghettos have formed, it's probably not going to stop once Freedom of Movement is stopped so we might as well keep it".

To answer your second question many parts of my city have become too ghettoised

The key problem with ghettos is class/poverty not race. What do you think wealthy folk like Johnson and Rees-Mogg have in common with Britis living in deprived neighbourhoods?

Are these 'ghettos' all EU immigrants

Most, not all. I feel equally sorry for Spaniards who have had parts of their country ghettoised into "Britain in the Sun".

I didn't mention race, you did.

missionitspossible
You have not answered my question.
If migration is reduced, who will do the jobs that migrants currently do ?

Are the ghettos of Europeans or of people from other parts of the world

• just that my city is 12% Polish and they are far more dynamic and hard working than many of the Brits.

the ghettos have formed

Define ghetto and provide an example / link depicting one in your area. What risk does this particular "ghetto" bring to the wider community? Any bombings, beheadings etc?

I didn't mention race, you did.

Of course you mentioned race by default mission

You want to end FOM to stop ghettos.

That has to mean the ghettos are, in your opinion, full of EU immigrants, otherwise there's no logic in your argument.

TalkinPeace I have answered your question, whether you like or agree with the answer is something else.

I don't know what percentage of my city is Polish but I certainly know which areas are. It is also the highest number in the country, after London.

LondonMum8

Disgusting insinuation. And like I said upthread, I feel equally sorry for those in Spain where loads of Brits reside and not to mention the French in Calais.

How would you respond to the Spanish and the French disliking what their cities have become due to a large influx of Brits?

Bearbehind Which race am I referring to then?

All the people who have cited FOM as a reason for leaving have singularly managed to completely miss that it will be reciprocal, and that they would find themselves queuing at immigration, needing visas and - shock of shocks - not actually being guaranteed entry to any EU member anyway. They also seem to not grasp there is a world of difference between popping to a country for a weekend break, and having to fulfil whatever criteria the member state imposes on them in order to be able to work. That's if they are allowed to work anyway.

Of course, if the UK continued to respect EU FOM, nothing need change ...

                             EU                         UK

Citizens: 450,000,000 65,000,000
Countries: 27 1

I'd love to know who looks at those numbers and thinks "Yes, I'll have a punt. Put me down for evens ...."

DGRossetti

Have they? I haven't. I'll have to queue longer at airports but I absolutely support a countries right to choose who they will and will not allow to enter their country. I absolutely support a countries right to rescind that right and force any non native citizens to leave.

Mission
Sorry, I cannot see where you typed about who will do the jobs when the migrants stop coming - could you confirm ?

TalkinPeace Migrants are not going to stop coming they will be coming at a reduced rate.

I have (I think) responded to each question asked of me, I'd appreciate it if someone could do the same and reciprocate:

How would you respond to the Spanish and the French disliking what their cities have become due to a large influx of Brits?

Although it should have said towards the Spanish and French

Missionits
But if they cannot come in visa free and head home every few months to recuperate
they will not come here to do the jobs Brits hate - like agriculture and hospitality and care work.
The NHS is already 96% down on EU recruitment - because without free movement they will not come.
Who will make up the shortfall?

N.I
See numerous posts on this already.

As one of the three issues the UK in particular has to resolve, I don''t think the 'one, two, skip a few' method is going to cut it in the real world.

As my FIL says, when all his suspicions are confirmed. Aye.

TalkinPeace if they don't want to come because they don't want to get a visa then that's their choice. You can't force someone to go to a country if they don't want to! Can someone answer my question please?

Which race am I referring to then

Presumabably the European race mission, otherwise how will ending EU FOM make any difference?