The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

[surferjet]

Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

It must be lovely on fantasy Island.

job losses, loss of FOM
Restricting FOM is the best thing to come out of Brexit. Jobs for the people of the U.K. first thank you. FOM has resulted in vast amounts of people here not having a job, or being priced out - this race to the bottom mentality has to stop. Certain employers will have to stop exploiting cheap labour from the EU ( my heart bleeds for them )

families potentially being split up
Key word there is potentially - you have no facts to back that up.

worse off financially
Absolute bollocks as we haven’t even left yet so no way of knowing.

N.I
See numerous posts on this already.

breakup of the UK

When’s that happening then?

Scotland wouldn’t survive a week without us & they know it, but if they want independence then good luck to them. I wouldn’t be crying over it.

Certain employers will have to stop exploiting cheap labour from the EU ( my heart bleeds for them )

Like the NHS - so that's what the mythical £350 million was about, maybe they should have told us?

"Restricting FOM is the best thing to come out of Brexit."

Incidentally, you might be right: getting idiotically hung op on FOM might be the best thing about it, everything else is far worse still. Consider that:

• Our economy will get wrecked because of this " red line"
• People already here will stay
• New arrivals are coming down not least because the situation in home countries has much improved and it will only get better
• Most immigrants originate from outside the EU anyway

surfer, your posts truly sicken me.

We have plenty of ways of knowing Brexit will make us worse off; that's not 'absolute bollocks' Every scenario modelled has been shown to have a negative effect- you just can't be arsed to look at those studies.

As for NI, the best you've ever come up with is, 'we'll find some kind of solution'

You are in such a cosseted bubble where you can afford to ride anything out, much like BJ and JRM, you don't give a shit about anyone else.

As for the Scotland comments, more showing of your true colours there.

Restricting FOM is the best thing to come out of Brexit.

Not if you're from the UK and want to work in the EU it ain't. What a nice person you are to flush the opportunities for 16 million people down the toilet for a song.

Nicola Sturgeon wants independence from the U.K. but wants to remain within the EU.
What does that say about her & her party?
Have a little think about it Bear.

My point earlier wasn't about nurses it was specifically about agricultural labour. Spending money on coming to the UK to have a steady nursing job is a realistic thing to do.

If agricultural workers are not coming from the EU they will have to come from further afield. Will a worker from say India want to buy a plane ticket to the UK for 3 months worth of veg picking? Its a lot different to getting a coach or driving here from Europe. I was just wondering who was going to come.

Right now it shows she is as disgusted with proceedings as I am surfer

And you know full well it wasn't so much the situation in Scotland as your complete dismissal of an entire country.

There are several Scottish Leavers on here, interested in what they think of the fact you don't give a toss about their country.

That comment about Scotland has really riled me.

You literally couldn't care less about the UK if you're happy to see it break up

So much for sovereignty and being a great nation again.

It really is only about immigration for you isn't it?

Stop turning the tables on me Bear to avoid answering awkward questions.

I asked you why NS wants independence from the U.K. but is more than happy to remain within the EU. She wanted this before Brexit.
What are your thoughts on this?

Does Nicola Sturgeon annoy you?

PMSL from the queen of turning table to avoid answering the question.

I didnt agree with a Scotland wanting independence therefore didn't agree with NS and her party at the time of the independence referendum.

However I can understand why they would not accept NI remaining in the SM/CU and use it as on opportunity to force independence for a Scotland too.

NS can see, as everyone except Leavers can see, that being part of the EU offers more advantages than disadvantages,

If Wales followed suit England would be looking a bit pathetic on its own waving its sovereign flag and belting out Rule Britannia.

I might not agree with her politics but NS is one of the most switched on politicians we have right now; she knocks everyone in the Tory party into a cocked hat, except possibly Ruth Davidson.

Oh dear, so much stupid.

To start with, this "virtual border". The IT systems required for such would take a minimum of 2 years to develop, and considering the government's track record on this, I would suggest more like 5 years. Also, that is only from the UK accepting imports side of things. Given that we have stated categorically that we would like to do trade deals outside of the EU regulations (chlorinated chicken etc.), the EU will most definitely not accept a "virtual border" where there are no checks on the provenance of goods. So Lorrypark Kent is back in play, and that's without even considering NI.

As for Corcory's un-racist proposal that we get NHS and seasonal workers from elsewhere (already shown to be unlikely for seasonal workers above), whilst stating that "controlled migration" is the aim, well, it shows the typical Brexiteer lack of joined up thinking. As all studies have shown, the majority of EU migration has been of young and healthy people coming over for 5 or 10 years before heading back home. However, migrants from e.g. India or the Caribbean are considerably more likely to want to stay here until old age, and to bring their families, including elderly relatives, over to join them. So this means more immigration, and more people who are going to be a strain on the NHS and other public services without contributing towards it. It might be wonderfully virtue signalling that you want more people from outside the EU, but it is economic suicide.

I'm also pretty sure that Corcory's plans are the polar opposite to what probably the majority of her fellow Leavers actually voted for!

So; NS can break up the U.K. & you’re fine with that because she’s ‘really switched on’

I say; ‘if they want independence good luck to them, I won’t be crying over it’ & you’re disgusted & ‘really riled’

Interesting.

@sueferjet Any thoughtful responses to my two earlier comments?

surfer are you completely incapable of reading what is written?

I said I can see why NS would use the oppurnity to push for independence.

It's the whole reason for her party.

You also pushed for an answer on why I thought they wanted to remain in the EU and I responded.

I was disgusted at your comment that basically Scotland can't survive without England and if they think they can they can fuck off and try.

It totally flies in the face of all the sovereignty bollocks but then that's no great surprise as it was alsways just a sound bite.

Well, it's not her monkeys and not her circus after all...

Avoidance of my point up till now noted ....

Restricting FOM is the best thing to come out of Brexit.

Not if you're from the UK and want to work in the EU it ain't.

It's hysterical isn't it driven

Even funnier that she had the cheek to say I'd turned the tables and not answered her when I actually had, in so far as the question was asked.

If only Leavers responded in kind and actually answered questions and they we're asked.

JWIM - the NHS employs more non EU workers than it does EU workers so why would there need to be any problem with visas they already do this anyway.

Ifailed - The % you are talking about are the % of exports we have but most of our trade is done within the UK and only 20% of our trade is exported. So 40% of 20% is 8% of total trade.

You all seem to be getting really hung up on semantics. Just cos Surfer mentioned BJ's speech and what the content is to be she is jumped on suggesting she is some BJ insider! Everyone who listened to the news this morning would know what the speak was about. Which is ironic considering that you Bear are suggesting Surfer is not engaged enough to have an opinion.

Yesterday it was all about Time and what exactly she had said in a statement and Bear pulling apart each word. Rather than discussing the main points you were much more keen to split hairs and go on and on about it.

How many times have we heard on this thread that Surfer asked for 'solutions instead of problems' and discussions about the meaning of the word solutions! But none of you are engaging in solutions. None of you are discussing any of the suggestions given on here by leavers but are much more keen to talk about nothing but problems.
I mentioned the KPMG article which exemplifies what I had thought the government is aiming at. Rather than actually reading it though and discussing the suggestions made within all I got was a poster telling me to take no notice, they had worked in the consultancy area and they knew better.

We are told by remainers that we don't understand and that they think we have no idea about the complexities of the problems. Yet when I talk about how there are more non EU employees than EU employees in the NHS no one takes the slightest notice and parrots out yet again the suggestion that everyone is leaving. Not true. But then if that is pointed out well of course we haven't left EU yet!!

I get the distinct impression remainers really don't read what anyone else writes and just repeat what they have been told by prominent remainers. So much for intelligent discussion!

@surferjet
Please could you answer my questions about customs clearance at Dover and Folkestone.
You mention a "virtual border"
so does that mean you are happy for no physical checks on what is in the lorries coming through the port?
really?

I worked in Customs Clearance in Dover docks pre 1988
Even then with much lower volumes and physical checks on every lorry, the Customs Officers were run off their feet stopping smuggling (of goods and people)
If the controls were dropped after Brexit, smuggling would be the only boom industry.