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Forgot to say can't see Mr Barnier or the other Eu27, letting us prostate for ever,
It's not in their interest really.

Faith I completely understand where you are coming from as far as not trusting the politicians , what if there was a defined timescale to the delay ?
I know I am only speaking as one of the 48% , but I think if there was more discussion and detail about the impact of leaving and how that could be mitigated , where it is negative , well that could be described as holding our politicians to account . Something I have always personally been quite keen on

I completely see where you're coming from too Frumpety & it's sensible, so of course I agree!

But! It just wouldn't happen like that.

In an ideal world there'd be a cross party approach to this, and it would be done pragmatically & without bias to one side or the other (scorched earth or overturn)

The reality is that TM is trying to control extremes on each side within her party, labour aren't doing anything to provide positive solutions, just blindly opposing everything & the likes of Adonis etc in the lords have made no secret of the fact that they're actively trying to sabotage Brexit completely.

Anything that I've seen which involves ordinary members of the public (eg question time) the overwhelming majority want the politicians to stop the party politics & just get on with it - work together for the best possible outcome - they're not interested in which party comes up with the solutions, they just want them to be grown up about it. Sadly, the MPs still aren't getting that message.

The constant undermining of TM by her own party, the constant foot stamping of the hardcore Brexiters and the constant attempts to undermine the Ref result by the hardcore remainers are causing untold damage to the trust that we should be able to have in our democracy, to our country's reputation & to our chances of making a success of Brexit.

I'd add not just do the job and add to prosperity of country but also be good citizens and add positives to our society.

I think you’d pretty quickly see a lot of Japanese firms leave the UK if we were stupid enough to “just walk away”.

Hence the projected massive hit to GDP in the NE under a WTO scenario.

Faith it was said a long long long time ago. The government needs to be on a coalition war footing to work together to get the best for the county.

Tm gave us stability when there was none and no one across the political landscape to step into the...

I now feel we need a more strident clear brexiteer who's not afraid and has clear vision to get on and deliver brexit.

So for instance , figures have suggested , that certain regions of the UK are more likely to suffer negatively as a result of leaving the EU . What measures does the UK government need to put in place to guarantee this does not happen , it would be unfair to allow the discrepancy of wealth distribution to continue would it not ?

Frumpty I guess the same measures used to help areas hit by mass immigration? Use same model.

Brexit does need to be a cross party process but it's just not going to happen.

It's why I think it's all such a bad idea, we are literally incapable of making a good job of it.

I can't find anything much about DD's response to Barniers comments yesterday other than him whinging again and saying he made his position clear in a speech 2 weeks ago.

Until we stop thinking we can just make a few speeches and everything will all fall into place, things aren't going to progress.

Faith it was said a long long long time ago. The government needs to be on a coalition war footing to work together to get the best for the county.

I know - it's so frustrating.

Just popping in to say hello to all you fellow Leavers!

I'm seeing the green shoots of recovery already, more opportunities for youngsters, more jobs for locals.

Bring on Brexit!

Sersiouly,
Yes to a coalition. But the government and TM problem is they/she has no majority, so even a hardened Brexitter, could lose a vital vote if 20 or so Conservatives vote against them.
I wonder whether a Interim coalition government set up by parliament, for say 3 years( or 4 max) to see us through the exit process would be acceptable to all sides.
So with a Conservative PM and a Labour deputy PM, people trusted to leave, but also moderates, who can agree sensible solutions to the mounting issues, and hopefully take all 100% of the UK population forward, I really think we need to forget 52/48 and think 100%, because in the end Brexit will have to work for all of us.
Or Democracy can only suffer, and we will be back arguing in less then a decade.
Sorry just my rambly thoughts.
Can anyone on either side think of a possible PM and deputy for my stupid coalition
So possibly Heidi Allen/Jonny Mercer and john Mann/Stella Creasy.
Even Michael Gove and Keir Stammer.
Help

I'm seeing the green shoots of recovery already, more opportunities for youngsters, more jobs for locals.

Could you elaborate on that limer? What specifics are you referring to?

Which model though Seriously , because unless I have been living under a rock for the last 40 years , no-one has really bothered to address the issue , other than using a few platitudes . How has the government suggested it will help areas hit by, in your words, mass immigration, presuming you are referring to people who are EU citizens ?

Oh dear we are stuck. unfortunately as we know our government cannot make a go of being in the eu... And they can't make a go of coming out of it.

Frumpty some area like Slough had massive massive issues with head counts soaring and yet real money budgets decreasing. So whatever model was used by that government to help areas like Slough who badly suffered will be just as good to help areas that may suffer on coming out?

Sorry I'm presuming you do know about areas such as Slough really suffering from mass immigration in a short space of time?

And the weather is rubbish , I suggest we do away with plate tectonics , use some fabulous UK built bit of engineering , drill our way through the bit of rock joining us to Europe and sail away to somewhere with a better climate , where I can grow avocados in my garden , who's with me ?

Frumpety,
Could a future government, not only give regeneration money to areas, with development needs, but actually allow changes to taxation rates, so I'm no economist but lower vat rates, lower corporation taxes, lower business costs and training subsidies for new business and companies bring inward investment to the regions. I see Teeside is trying to develop a proper free port zone for the docks which could bring 50000-100000 new jobs to the region.
Please note new business, Hull, my home city lost 5 major companies under new Labour and the coalition, when existing companies got Eu/government grants to open plants in Wales and Lowestoft, and then close existing Hull plants. Madily often more people become unemployed in Hull and surrounding areas then started in the new areas
How was that allowed and sensible for Britain.
Also if you get these Breaks and then leave quickly, you should have to pay them back.

Sorry Seriously , fed up with the blooming rain today , got a day off and wanted to get so many outside jobs done and I know I won't melt if I get wet , but its cold and wet , yuck!
Slough , sounds suspiciously southern to me , go on tell me about all the mass EU immigration into the town and how that was addressed by the government , I could do with a good news story

And slippery ! sounds like a follow up album by Bon jovi , sorry again

LondonMum8
They are my views. I have family living Canada and New Zealand, Sweden Estonia. others in Brazil and Botswana. One of my MIL friends daughter lives and works in Nepal( survived the terrible earthquake).
Ds1 friendship circle includes 3 refugees, Namibia, Zimbabwe and South Africa. Plus friends from Hong Kong and most of eastern Europe, plus kids from Holderness.
Today I am rushing from work 20 miles north to watch Ds1 play a touring team from Liceo, Argentina play his under 18's RU colts.
Like Corcory, who carries where you come from as long as you can do the job you where employed to do and contribute to the prosperity of the county

You are grossly unrepresentative of the average Brexiter who voted against the EU on the idiotic premise that this will help England become more English.

Has no-one else got an almost pathological desire to quote poetry when Slough is mentioned ?

Frumpty,
to moving to warmer climes.
I actually think being in the Eu, for last 40 years has helped the Uk as we have been able to use it to get rid of the decline of the 70's & 80's and start on a road to a modern and better economy.
The majority of the population seem to think now is the time to complete the project on our own, using the whole of the world, as well as our European cousins. They maybe wrong, they maybe right.
I just think we now have make it work for all of us

Mass immigration to Slough started in the 1940s - the largest trading estate in Europe was established in the 1920s and it needed immigrants to staff the businesses. Poles that had fought in WW2 settled in the 1940s, Commonwealth citizens came in the 1950s and 1960s. It wasn't just a sudden influx from the EU.