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Not so DGR. If you go to London there are almost 2 Remainers for every Leaver and 1.5 in Scotland. That leaves a big balance in favour of Leavers almost everywhere else.

However my favourite trivia on this is that if all the Leave voters in "Scotland voted Remain" had just stayed home it would have been almost enough to overturn the result - stop giving the Welsh all the credit Surfer

Are you talking about the referendum which denied EU citizens, many in this country for several years if not decades, a vote? There are also plenty of excluded Remainer expats abroad, I'm sure they would be glad to help online.

Yep, but over a 1/3 of the non-UK EU citizens also live in London, so the point still stands - according to Boris there are 400k French nationals alone in London, which surprised even me.

Of the 3 m or so EU nationals living in the UK, almost 0.4 m are Irish citizens and they did get a vote. There are also about 0.5 m children who would not have got a vote regardless of citizenship.

(Don't get me started on the 1 million or so Scots denied a vote in the Indyref despite EU citizens who just happened to have been living in Scotland for 3 months getting a say).

over a 1/3 of the non-UK EU citizens also live in London, so the point still stands

OK, so 2/3 spread all over the country. To be fair, don't suppose many would be willing to take the risk of discussing Brexit with Leave demographics in a local pub though.

To be fair I don't know if Graham Gudgin voted leave , he may have voted remain . I think the article is more about his arguments for using a certain type of model and data to give. in his opinion, a more accurate prediction of economic growth. Little link below to something else he and his colleagues have written.

www.cbr.cam.ac.uk/fileadmin/user_upload/centre-for-business-research/downloads/working-papers/wp493.pdf.

I would be very surprised if Johnson’s claim of 400,000 French nationals in London were true - and he has form in massaging figures.

In 2014 the French consulate estimated the number was 270,000 across the SE England area, including as far afield as Oxford (again in response to one of Boris’s spurious claims).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26823489

In 2017 the French Consulate were still estimating that the total number of French residents in the UK is between 250,000 and 300,000.

www.thelocal.fr/20170303/french-expats-vs-british-expats-whos-got-the-bigger-bargaining-chips/amp

Just googled and in 2014 he said there were 250k. He is just a shameless liar, peddling any BS he thinks his voter base will be happy to lap up.

"Our conclusion is that most estimates of the impact of Brexit in the UK, both short-term and long-term, have exaggerated the degree of potential damage to the UK economy. We stress at this point that this is not a politically-driven exercise. Most of the four-person team behind the research for this and our other papers voted ‘Remain’ in the 2016 referendum and would do so again if given the chance".

Very balanced paper Frumpety and well worth a read for the economics anoraks. Suspicion of MSM is in part being driven by the under reporting of this sort of analysis imho - although JRM adopting and expounding it probably switched off most Remainers from it anyway.

Thanks for the research on French Nationals in London. Going to give Boris benefit of the doubt that he may be including dual Nationals like my MIL and the very many 2nd generation like my DH who could claim French Nationality but doesn't. They of course did get to vote.

I am not sure if anyone actually knows how many of the "3m" are adults without UK voting rights? Also not sure how many of the UK overseas "1m" were excluded as I suspect it would be not many?

My BIL is of Huguenot extraction, I’m sure Boris would include him in that 400,000.

I would be very surprised if Johnson’s claim of 400,000 French Nationals in London were true - and he has form in massaging figures.

Wasn't there a story in the last French elections that expat London French are so numerous they have their own MP ?

Ah yes ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17893296

The UK has no real idea how many foreign nationals live here
because for many years (like about 30) it did not record entries or exits.

And folks like me who had ILR status never showed up on visa or immigration stats.

Lots of non EU English speakers like London as it speaks that mid atlantic language and gives easy access to the beaches of southern Yerp.

When that changes, they and their earning power may decamp.

So we are still pursuing Project Cake and Eat It

Of course the Referendum denied EU national a vote ffs it was a vote by UK citizens on the future of the UK how can that be hard to understand!

"their futures have been decided by the British people who didn't even give them a moment's thought when deciding they wanted to show Cameron what they thought of him, or other spurious reasons, most of which have been debunked both before and after the referendumm."

Nailed it @Motheroffourdragons.

Sorry, one correction: "by the 25% of British people".

We won’t be signing trade deals that mean that British producers are undercut on environmental or animal welfare standards,” Gove says in Birmingham.

Well Gove, you little backstabbing spiv, given your lack of real bargaining power, you will be either signing whatever has been handed to you by the big trade partners, or scooping up little trade deals with countries which have very little in terms of food safety or animal welfare standards. Either way the standards will go down.

Mother my point was not that 10-20,000 do not matter, but rather that if the number is indeed that low they would have had no impact on the Referendum result.

Off to google more about the French MP for London DGR

Disappointingly only 25k of the 120k registered French voters for the "Northern Europe (London) constituency" of France bothered to vote in the 2017 French election.

sorry wiki link for above.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_constituency_for_French_residents_overseas#Area

I think it is a bit unfair to suggest TM is unconcerned with the rights of UK Nationals in the EU since they have always been her excuse for using the EU Nationals in the UK as bargaining chips.