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LondonMum8
Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die...

@FHCD:
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But pro-remain/anti Brexit isn't Londoncentric at all... no, no, of course not...

😂😂"

What about Scotland, NI, some other large English cities, Gibraltar?

Would be more accurate to say it's Little England and Wales vs the rest of the UK.

And Cardiff, London Mum!

I have joked for years about an independent city state of London, but I'm more and more seriously thinking it would be a good idea.

Without doing too much work ...

www.citymetric.com/skylines/where-are-largest-cities-britain-1404

London 10,236,000 (32nd in the world. The only EU city to be so ranked in the top 50).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_population

Scotland 5,299,900
Wales 3,036,758
Northern Ireland 1,814,145
(total 10,150,873)

So London - if viewed as a country is bigger than Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland combined. It takes quite a while to get the implications of that to sink in ...

"And Cardiff"

Of course.

Thank god for little England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 & Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
Without you brave, forward thinking hero’s we’d still be chained to Brussels.

Little England indeed.

It was just the promo I saw mother, it just made me laugh is all.

I know there are vehement anti-Brexiters everywhere, and a single-issue anti-Brexit party was inevitable tbh - just like UKIP came about as the Brexit party initially.

At least now anti-Brexiters have their own party & they can stop trying to rip apart the others.

At least now anti-Brexiters have their own party & they can stop trying o rip apart the others.

In the absence of hope, pointing out absurdity keeps the spirits up ...

@surferjet

"God help little England & Wales "

There, fixed it for you. It's depressing how easy it was to blinker these people and get them to happily run down the chute.

Just a quick link to cheer up the fans of the WTO
who will judge UKs trade policy if there is a no deal hard Brexit
www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/org4_e.htm
650 staff not accountable to the UK parliament in the least

Wow TalkinPeace does that mean unelected officials who are paid wages and have pensions are going to be making decisions about the U.K.?

Let's hope they are accountable to two elected bodies..........oh they aren't

I see the chief brexiteers are willing to sacrifice the GFA. Willing to sacrifice peace for ideology. This is brexits lowest point. Shameful.

Brexit briefings , one point in relation to Graham Gudgins article . He says CE used actual historic data , this is where he loses me a bit due to the unique nature of our current predicament . I am curious to know what the historic data is , given we have been in the SM and CU for 40 odd years. I am no expert on economic modelling by any stretch of the imagination, or Economics, but in my job we were taught early on to ask questions and dissect statistics , so that's what I am doing

Another point is he mentions no recent forecast from bodies such as the OECD and yet a quick google throws up an article in the FT from the OECD from November 2017 ? I appreciate his article has been on the site for 4 days , but when was it actually written ?

So why don't you ask him to clarify?

I don't know if he's a contributor to MN Brexit Arms threads or not, but if not then he can't give you the info you seek as he won't know you are asking.

Email him/tweet him/whatever - if there's a problem with his assumptions or methodology, or information is incorrect I'm sure he will be happy to be corrected - he's an academic & expert in his field after all, so he should be pulled up on any falsehoods or misinformation.

Fair point Faith I didn't realise you could contact him via the site

Why bother discussing gravity models if other actual experts on the topics disagree. Brexiters are clutching at straws here. You always get some outlier opinions and obviously the correct treatment is to reject such outliers.

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexiteers-favoured-economic-study-shot-down-by-other-trade-economists-a7519596.html

Fair point Faith I didn't realise you could contact him via the site

On a serious note though, they are actively welcoming critique & do not want to be an echo chamber - hopefully this will end up being a site where ideas are proposed & properly thrashed out & shaped by a collaboration of experts & interested parties - this has been sadly lacking thus far.

The gravity theory of trade can be demonstrated empirically for the UK.

visual.ons.gov.uk/uk-trade-partners/

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/32475/12-579-uk-trade-performance-markets-and-sectors.pdf

The UK sends most of its exports to the countries that are geographically closest. Australia and South Africa are outliers arising from Commonwealth links.

The initiative is fundamentally flawed. We should be thinking about what's best for the country rather than what's best for Brexit. The majority of experts have leaned in well before the referendum, got vilified or ignored at best, and desperate Brexiters are calling for help now? Let them own this bloody mess.

I was vaguely pondering, after the success of the Lagoon thread, what was going on with all the poor Leavers that keep bumping into sceptics and naysayers. And then it dawned on me ... in life, for every Leaver that pops up, it's possible to find an equal and opposite
Remainer to balance them.

Rinse and repeat until you've exhausted 16,000,000+ people ...

It's a serious challenge. Find me a Leaver - I'll find you a Remainer.

You simply cannot turn that into anything good

There were over 1 million more Leavers than Remainers at the last count ......

Yes, but they probably come from Wales so they’re irrelevant.