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BrexitArmsLandlady · 08/02/2018 21:43

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LondonMum8 · 16/02/2018 11:40

@time4chocolate
Well done, you win a trip to the sunlit uplands on top of Boris :)

frumpety · 16/02/2018 12:00

Driven , I have given up on BBC news , will occasionally listen to Today on R4 on the way to work , but I usually end up shouting at the radio due to the lack of decent questioning of either side of the political divide . I still think R4 has a lot to offer and some absolutely fantastic programmes , as do the BBC TV channels.

time4chocolate · 16/02/2018 12:02

Londonmum8 yayyy to a trip to the sunlit uplands but on top of BorisShockI think I’ll give that a massive swerve thanks Grin

DrivenToDespair · 16/02/2018 12:03

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mummmy2017 · 16/02/2018 13:18

Thanks DriventoDespair I will go have a read.

Trouble is I have always wanted to leave, as have watched for 40 and just feel we got drawn in deeper and deeper without us agreeing to it all, and when given the chance I just said GO, accepting that it would be a very bumpy ride, but I just knew I would never have this chance ever again, I to this day still can't Believe David Cameron didn't realise this would happen, as so many wanted to leave, but it was like he thought his will would prevail.

howabout · 16/02/2018 13:42

Nothing Left of Centre for a bit of balance Driven . Shock

DrivenToDespair · 16/02/2018 16:16

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howabout · 16/02/2018 16:48

Problem with most "good data" these days is that it is being used highly selectively and over interpreted. Not a huge fan of Jo or Dave for legal analysis but fair play to them on making a good fist of self promotion.

Recommend Larry Elliott in The Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/07/brexit-why-buyers-remorse-hasnt-hit-the-uk-economy

DrivenToDespair · 16/02/2018 17:23

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frumpety · 16/02/2018 18:48

Mummy would you consider staying in the CU and SM ? I think these were the original starting points , or were you opposed to the whole thing from the start , not sure if you voted in the original referendum ?

What about agencies related to the sciences , finance and security , would you consider continuing membership of say Euratom a good thing ?

Not picking on you , just trying to get a feel for any compromise people who voted leave may be happy to work with Smile

LondonMum8 · 17/02/2018 11:18

The thing is: is there any point in Leaving the EU just to stay in the SM? That wouldn't be as good as staying in on the preferential terms as the ones we are enjoying now? Hard Brexit doesn't make sense, soft Brexit doesn't make sense, therefore... let's Brexit!

mummmy2017 · 17/02/2018 15:48

I think as this is such a unique thing, then yes I would have agreed to some points.
Euratom, there does seem to be some sort of Agreement with the USA on this, people are able to make agreements and to find ways to make it possible. So for us to move away, while not spiting completely, after all we have upto this point had to comply with the EU rules, there will be a plan being worked out. No one really wants to just cut and run, even if the Remain on here always see a cliff edge and not a run down a steep hill on everything.
If people work together it is possible to make it work. but to do so Remain need to stop with the attitude they seem to hold on any subject, shouting "it's not Possible." it has to be as it's going to happen.
SM, as said it's just not possible, but that doesn't mean we can't have some sort of agreement, that will mean we can trade, and both profit.
CU I think this one is a no as well. as it means our hands would be tied. but again, just because we leave, that doesnt mean we can't trade and sort something that does work.
Different isn't always bad.

CardinalSin · 17/02/2018 20:10

It's still "I'm sure somebody is working this out" and "they'll sort this out". It's entirely religiously cultish in character.

So much for Taking Back Control!

mummmy2017 · 17/02/2018 20:19

Cardinalsin even Labour agree they don't know.
So cherry picking, you know dam well people are working on things.
Or are you saying this to make yourself feel better.

CardinalSin · 17/02/2018 20:42

People are trying to work on things, but the government doesn't know what it wants and hasn't told them what they should be working on!

Really! Open your eyes to what is happening in your name!

DrivenToDespair · 17/02/2018 21:00

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mummmy2017 · 17/02/2018 21:53

I do understand, honest I do.
But since none of us work at No 10, what we do and don't know is all here say .

You think, your pretty sure, but you can't 100% know as you don't work there do you...

DrivenToDespair · 18/02/2018 08:56

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mummmy2017 · 19/02/2018 12:30

briefingsforbrexit.com/

Going to have a read.

LondonMum8 · 19/02/2018 12:47

Addressing @mummy2017's gloating here after @surferjet's thread got closed.

Accepting your helpless to change it

This is basically the core motivation for Brexit: the primitive feeling of satisfaction derived from the mere possibility of some harm coming to the middle class, at any cost.

Regarding the helplessness, you have to understand that the people you despise so much: scientists, teachers, doctors, engineers etc. can just basically up and leave to work anywhere in the world should the country fail. The rest will be left hoping for a seasonal work visa to Spain or Germany, as was the case back in the good old sick man of Europe days.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 19/02/2018 14:16

Just seen the promo for the new anti-brexit party 'Renew' - every single one of the people featured:

"I'm blah, blah, blah & I'm from London"

But pro-remain/anti Brexit isn't Londoncentric at all... no, no, of course not...

😂😂

DGRossetti · 19/02/2018 14:27

"I'm blah, blah, blah & I'm from London"

Which - while you can say isn't 80% of the UK, is 20%. A figure I await to be corrected on, but which no other country on earth has in terms of capital population/country population.

Forget Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. Why isn't London it's own Country ?

MichaelBendfaster · 19/02/2018 14:29

Why isn't London it's own Country ?

I have joked for years about an independent city state of London, but I'm more and more seriously thinking it would be a good idea.

DGRossetti · 19/02/2018 14:32

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/19/government_brexiteers_warned_not_to_push_for_divergence_on_data_protection_laws/

Needs to be read in full (sorry) but another reason why the UK can't go riding around gules arampant on a Unicorn, dissing everyone elses laws ... (we'll put to one side the fact that - like the ECHR - the Uk was key in drafting these regulations ...)

British government ministers have been told not to peddle the idea that trade agreements are incompatible with continued compliance with European data protection laws.

As the country's ruling Conservative Party continues to grapple with Brexit negotiations and internal frictions, tech industry bodies have said that diverging from privacy laws could undermine the UK’s position in trade deals.

The warning came in a letter to international trade secretary Liam Fox, techUK boss Julian David and his counterpart from international Information Technology Industry Council, Dean Garfield.

It comes after suggestions from pro-Brexit ministers that the UK should diverge from European Union rules in certain fields, with data pitched as one area that might benefit from what they would brand as greater freedoms.

However, TechUK said that "UK tech companies are clear that this is not a view held by the sector", as they want to see the UK fully comply with the EU General Data Protection Regulation.

This is because, for a start, the UK helped to shape the regulation and companies are investing heavily in meeting the requirements, as it comes into force before Brexit will take effect.

It is also crucial for the UK to keep the same level of data protection as the EU if it wants to be in with a chance of gaining continued approval for EU-UK data transfers.

David and Garfield note that the UK is responsible for 11.5 per cent of worldwide data flows, and that its location between US and the EU makes it an attractive place for investment.

Shifting away from EU rules post-Brexit “would undermine this opportunity”, they say.

“We would caution against the misunderstanding that adherence to the EU data protection regime is incompatible with securing high quality trade agreements that promise open trade and investment, ensure free cross-border data flows and respect high levels of data protection.”

The intervention comes as Prime Minister Theresa May attempted to reassure the industry that the official government policy is to stay in line with – if not exceed – EU data protection standards.

Speaking at the Munich security conference on the weekend, she emphasised the importance of continued data flows for cooperation between law enforcement agencies and snoops.

She said that the Data Protection Bill – which is currently making its way through Parliament – would ensure it was aligned with the bloc’s GDPR.

“But we want to go further and seek a bespoke arrangement to reflect the UK’s exceptionally high standards of data protection,” she said.

“And we envisage an ongoing role for the UK’s Information Commissioner’s Office, which would be beneficial in providing stability and confidence for EU and UK individuals and businesses alike.”

This proposal has been pushed out by the government before, though, and May’s speech failed to provide any further specifics on the plan or its feasibility.

It also appears these negotiations have yet to begin, as May followed her bid for the increased role for the ICO with: “And we’re ready to start working through this with colleagues in the European Commission now.”

time4chocolate · 19/02/2018 15:05

The Renew “Listen to Britain” 😂😂 tour coming to a town near you. I don’t even know where to start with that.

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