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Jack anorak would be definitely better agnes

The most annoying thing about all these speeches where 'our intentions are made very clear' is that everyone knows our cabinet can't even agree on our intentions so the speeches cannot possibly state our position because even we don't bloody know what it is.

Wft - Jack Anorak should be Jackanory!

I don’t know how neutral the National Conversation on Immigration is, but interesting piece on Hull:

nationalconversation.uk/hull-where-regeneration-has-accompanied-immigration/

so a city with a history of little immigration

User , you are joking right !

Bear,
Ni/Eire situation to be fair, isn't a 2016 issue on it's own. It sadly dates back centuries, colonially Britain at it's finest. Then Britain in 1922/3 did the dirty, and secretly partitioned Ireland, after promising not too. It isn't even Ulster, from vague memory that's 2 county larger then present day NI.
I wonder, if all three sides, who all claim to want peace, Eire, the Eu and Us/NI people, could use the next 12 months and any transitionally period after, to use the GFA as a starting point, and move reasonability of the Europe court from it either to the one which isn't even to do with the Eu or if not possibly the International court in the Hague. Could failing that not a totally independent court, under the UN take over.
The border issue is awkward, even in the dark days it wasn't water tight, I know I went across it to save my life.
I have CSE's not international diplomacy skills. But these are intelligent people, most don't want the troubles to start again, they have to start talking

frumpety according to the article I posted At the time of the 2001 census, nearly 97% of its population was of white British ethnicity. Hull’s overseas born population were mostly international students.

Sorry but that would be like saying Liverpool is a city with a history of little immigration !
Big up for City of Culture status , bit gutted I never got a chance to go and see any of it , did you ?

The border issue is awkward, even in the dark days it wasn't water tight, I know I went across it to save my life.

That’s an understatement! I’ve heard hair raising stories of the smuggling that went on.

'Who knows what this vile Brexit will ultimately lead or contribute to, but the scum of the Earth complicit in it will be remembered in history in an rather unflattering way.'

Scum of the earth?! LondonMum8

Surfer - yes, please do start a new (positive) thread.

read this and you sprang to mind Bear, it looks like we are going to hear about the plan😮!!

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-speech-plans-michel-barnier-boris-johnson-away-day-chequers-a8204581.html

user I think driven summed up what I want to say in her post at 11.19.

Even your subsequent post on NI is just a history lesson.

Given you now are on the side of Leave how do you see the border situation being able to be resolved if we are not in the SM/CU?

The reality of leaving means solutions to these problems need to be found.

Sorry Agnes , the immigration and Hull thing is a family theme of mine , 2001 97% white British , go back just 2 or 3 generations depending on your age now and those same families will have come from all over Europe , just goes to show , folk have short memories

Frumpety.
Don't know what you mean, 2011 census, I think that was last one?
States just 3% of Hull's 256496 population was born outside the Uk.
Is that immigration, or do people have another definition I wasn't aware of.
Less than 95% of Hull's population is non white.
This now is the 3rd thread people on mumsnet have told me I know nothing of my home City and It's eastern neighbouring borough. It starting to wear thin honestly. If you want honest answers I give you them. If not don't listen, but then you be shock when Hull votes 66% leave, East Riding 65% and North East and North Lincolnshire, vert similar figures. I voted Remain and I am NOT in anyway shocked, upset at first yes, now not surprised at all.

I have read that time. It's where my rant on speeches and 'ambitions' started from this morning.

The process will culminate in a further speech by Ms May, who will “set out the Government’s ambitions for Britain’s partnership with the EU after we have left”.

How do you think yet another speech on what we'd like to happen is going to help?

Ah, see where you’re coming from now frumpety, although I believe Hull as a port was unusual in as much as it was a transit point for immigrants from Europe travelling to the New World. I don’t think many stayed. Add in that it was hit hard during WW2 so wasn’t attractive for the waves of migrants arriving in the 50s, 60s and 70s, and it means it has been very white British for a few generations at least.

How do you think yet another speech on what we'd like to happen is going to help?

But you have spent the last 18 months asking for a plan

Agnes , I think quite a few landed thinking of heading across to Liverpool and then ended up staying for a variety or reasons . Also check the phone book and see how many names end in sen/son

I apologise User if you felt I was having a go at you , lot of my family were born in Hull or its environs you see , a bit of digging means non of them can totally support any of the rugby teams currently playing the six nations

frumpety,
City of Culture brilliant, even won over the doubters, I know loads of leave voters who organised it and backed it. We had a ball. Attended loads, joys of living 3 miles away.
My great uncle was called Neils, he came from Denmark, I never knew till his funeral, his son said you wouldn't he classed him self as a Hull man with British citizenship.
All my wifes family have lived in Hull for 10 generations, My Mums 6 and my sons are the 4th of my dads. But all have arrived from Uk.
Yes is a port city, but unlike Liverpool it doesn't have huge immigrant populations, no Irish, 2011 census says less than 0.3%.
Many visitors to the port arrived and left on the ships, or like the mass 1900's migrations, arrived in Hull got on a train and left for Liverpool and the USA. Even now must users of the brilliant North Sea Ferries just travel through without stop , or did until City Of Culture.
Hull is unique, never been sure if that's a good or bad thing

But you have spent the last 18 months asking for a plan

Do you really not see there's a huge difference between 'setting out ambitions' and having a workable plan?

Our 'ambition' is and always has been for us to maintain everything we like whilst not paying the EU and restricting FOM.

No matter how many times we say that's what we want, it doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Barnier made it very clear unless we agree to abide by the EU rules in order to maintain access to the SM/CU during the transition period then there might not be a transition period.

He was also clear that if we leave the SM/CU then there had to be a border controls in NI.

What is it going to take to make Leavers and most particularly our government to understand we are not going to get our 'ambition' and we need to come up with a workable solution and fast.

frumpety I’m sure a small proportion will have stayed, and some will probably have migrated inland towards Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool for instance, but the vast majority will have had through tickets to the US and Canada and won’t have stayed.

I have family from the Hull area too!

Disappointed in myself for not making more of an effort to head over during 2017 , sounds like it was great

Hull is indeed unique User and I say that in a good way . To be fair my statements on its immigration history are limited to my own family history and the experiences of them growing up and living and working in the city .

User does 10 generations make your wife from bona fide Viking stock ?

Back to brexit,
To answer Bear, I support it because I believe in democracy and we need to go forward as a united country.
I look forward to the Prime Minister's speech in 3 weeks. Maybe will final have a Uk position.
The border, I believe as an export you can voluntarily sign up to any countries regulations and then agree to provide proof, so maybe in NI/Eire as a compromise we could have NI/Eire inspectors employ in the those countries and then use modern electronic authorisation and sealed consignments, Maybe we will have to route other goods via eastern ports, not via Ireland. Also I remember not showing my passport at either Fishguard or Rosslairne in the 1980 visiting gf's family, so maybe checks carried out in either Eire or if no Uk passport control in Eire, then on continent of Europe like we spend millions on helping the French.
Is that workable Bear?

Is that workable Bear?

Er, no

It's a variation of the 'honesty border' mummmy came up with a while ago.

Seriously, how effective do you really think 'routing goods via eastern ports not via Ireland' would be?

How could you possibly control that?

Where is the infrastructure for 'modern electronic authorisation' going to come from and be ready in just a few years?