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Would BINO address the NI issue ?

Would BINO address the NI issue ?

Yes because everything would basically stay as it is now except

• it would be called something other than a customs union
• we'd be paying for access to the SM/CU rather than EU membership
• we'd have to abide by all EU rules but we'd have no say in the making of those rules

I only ask because I have tried really hard to understand how we Brexit and not completely fuck up the GFA . To be fair though I think I could live with CU and SM and no say in the rules , not that much different from the current set up in the UK at present time , and no I am not talking about the EU when I say that

frumpety I think Remainers would generally be OK with BINO as the best outcome from a bad situation but it would beg the question 'what was the fecking point'?

Leavers are generally going to be livid with it though.

The problem is, it's the only workable solution.

I don't think it will be, as you have to look at how the EU are spouting off about fines and penalties, they really are pushing there are two in this negotiation, not just one side.

mummmy the EU can impose pretty much what they like because we don't hold any cards in this area. We need a transition period.

They are not being punitive by insisting we adhere to all the EU rules during that time if we want access to the SM/CU.

If you disagree I'd love to hear your argument.

We cannot and will not just walk away so we need to stop all the huffing and puffing on that front.

It''s only the most ardent of Leavers who think that's a possibility and they're all the ones who have absolutely no idea how it would work in practice.

frumpety I’m a recent convert to the Negroni - equal parts gin, Campari and vermouth, with a twist of orange peel. Perfect if you like something slightly bitter.

One thing that gets forgotten, mainly by the brainwashed Leave mob, is that the EU has been clearly a force for good (i.e. cooperation and integration) in our troubled part of the world, which - as should perhaps be reiterated - has recently enjoyed an unprecedented period of peace. Who knows what this vile Brexit will ultimately lead or contribute to, but the scum of the Earth complicit in it will be remembered in history in an rather unflattering way.

Yes, US forces and the NATO have played a role, but this is hardly reliable anymore. For instance, the US and Britain were supposed to guarantee territorial integrity of Ukraine in exchange for their giving up nuclear weapons. The treaty just got torn up and part of Ukraine run over by Putin with nothing but economic sanctions (mainly by the EU) in response.

Londonmum -'but the scum of the Earth complicit in it' - well that's a new one!
I thought earlier we were having a fairly civil discussion! but it seems some people just can't help themselves.

@Corcory We are having a serious discussion regarding potentially grave implications of Brexit. Sorry for touching a nerve.

So to recap we need to stay in the SM and CU to resolve the issue regarding NI , if we do this whilst also exiting the EU , we get no say in any new rules etc . Now call me challenged in the upstairs for thinking department , but is that not actually a worse situation than the one we already have , especially regarding sovereignty ?

Agnes will add Campari and vermouth to shopping list

Could just NI be in the SM and CU and not the rest of the UK ? I know that would probably deeply upset the farmers in the rest of the UK though , also what would happen with regards goods transported to the mainland from NI , would there need to be a border at this side even if NI is still part of the UK , but to remain a part of SM and CU would that mean that NI is also part of the EU ?

Now call me challenged in the upstairs for thinking department , but is that not actually a worse situation than the one we already have , especially regarding sovereignty ?

That’s exactly right frumpety.

If that’s where we end up we’ll be in a worse position than we were before.

I’m wondering when this lightbulb moment is going to occur for leavers.

The problem is we simply can’t cut ties with the EU, we are too intertwined with them and need to retain most of the agreements we currently have.

That’s why this is such a monumental ckusterfuck; the option of truly ‘leaving’ was never possible.

Could just NI be in the SM and CU and not the rest of the UK

The DUP, who give TM her working majority, won’t allow that.

Plus it would be breaking up the UK and I’m pretty sure Scotland and possibly Wales would say they want to remain too.

Good Morning,
Just to thank Faith for reading all my posts on immigration.
I didn't reply as a bigoted northerner, I was supporting my Ds1 local RU colts team as, with a 4 black players in the team, beat Liceo, Argentinean navy's colt team. We and them then spent next 4 hours sharing tables, learning about 35-40 degree heat they had left, sharing food/drink. Also playing bar games, we won on the pitch, but lost 6 nil in bar games. Son and I made new friends, and there is now a small part of Argentina in Beverley and our hearts for every.
I wonder whether part of the fear of leaving the Eu is the fear of the unknown and a scary world.
Well I can confirm the Argentineans we met, are lovely, and played in a far better, fairer way, then many of the English team we play week in week out.
But what would I know as a bigoted, northern working Holderness lad.

LondonMum8
YOU said at 23:29 last scum of the earth complicit in it,
Could you define who you mean please, I am a bigot/xenophobe, for daring to question immigration, you class 52% of the voters of the UK, as scrum of the earth.
First where is Bear to call you a bigot and second, 3 of my children's godparents, 90% of my family and in laws and most of my work and an awful lot of police staff my wife works with are obviously Scum of the earth
Bear are you really happy to associate with those words?
Genuine question.

Good morning leavers. 😊

What are your thoughts on me starting a new thread just for leavers? ( the leavers lagoon or something, haha ) I was going to wait until next month, as then we’ve only got 12 short months to freedom! 😀
This thread attracts too many aggressive, angry, bitter, boringly repetitive, dull as ditch water remainers.
So what are your thoughts?
It would be a place purely for upbeat progressive people, positive about the future. ☀️

user I don’t think the phrase ‘scum of the earth’ was necessary or conducive to discussion on here.

I also don’t think your updates on every aspect of your day add much value either.

I said before I’m actually not that bothered if your motivation for changing your mind over your vote is bigoted or not.

I’m interested in discussing the way forward from here.

As ever though, leavers prefer to get bogged down discussing terminology they don’t like in order to avoid the far trickier subject of how we proceed from here.

Have you seen today’s announcement that TM is to make yet another bloody speech about her ‘amibtions’ for our future relationship.

It’s the sheer arrogance of it all that astounds me.

a) we shouldn’t be talking about ‘ambitions’ still because that’s just cake and eat it stuff
b) why does she think these speeches then act as gospel- we have a negioting team who should be dealing with this.

I’m sick of her and DD saying ‘I made our position very clear in my speech x weeks ago’

User do your lads play league at school or just union ? always thought of that area as more of a league place , prepared to be put straight

Sounds like a jolly good idea Surferjet

That’s jolly inclusive of you surfer

It’s extremely telling that you feel you need a place where no one can rain on your parade and you can all just ignore anything that doesn’t fit with your vision for the future.

A perfect way of resolving the problems of Brexit.

Trade talks are currently being held are they not? In that case then a deal has been agreed on the border issue and at the same time we also have confirmation from TM that we are out of the CU and SM.

The above would suggest that maybe not everything within the EU rules is carved in stone?

Surfer I thought my drink suggestion was a positive contribution