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Hasenstein it’s well recognised that older people are more likely to vote than younger poeple, but there are a whole host of reasons for this - enough to keep plenty of political and social scientists busy at least.

Agnes I know older people are more likely to vote than younger ones (the latter have lots going on in their lives outside, wish I was still one of them). My original point was that there may have been people who found the whole issue far too complex to entrust to a binary vote, so didn't vote. I find that stance quite understandable (and fundamentally honourable).

As you say, it'll keep political scientists busy for years to come, but I suspect hard data will be, er, hard to come by.

Yes the voting and no voting is age dependant.
Older people do vote and in greater numbers.
About 90% are able to vote, and do so.
As you go down the ages people seem to think it's not so important and so While there is a core of youth who see it's important, more have other things in their life that matter more.
There was a big report on how education also effects if people can be be bothered to vote, and how advanced they were into the education system also weights the voting ethic even more.
Then you really do get people who just can't give a dam.

So there is no one reason and people seem to slip between one reason and another. due to what is happening in their life.

My elderly mum left school at 16 with little in the way of qualifications and voted Remain. I have a university educated young niece who voted Leave.
I don't know anyone who didn't vote. Obviously plenty of people didn't. Loads voted Remain. A bit more voted Leave.
And so we are up shit creek.

After listening to all the stuff today about women & the vote, equality etc and because I am in the throes of a rare moment of magnanimity...

I wanted to say that even though Brexit divides us, and we irritate the hell out of the other 'side', I do respect the fact that other women are just as strident, opinionated & happy to argue politics etc as I am.

It's one of the reasons I love Mumsnet.

I am aware that this reads back as really patronising, but it's honestly not meant that way (and once I've posted this I shall go back to being an obnoxious twat...)

A really desperate attempt at finding a brexit silver lining.

Tenuous link I’d say.

Aha, TMbot is now convening a war cabinet. #BrexitForPeaceAndProsperityLOL

If it is as clear cut as you think, then why do you think people who have read all the papers are disagreeing? After all if the people round this table can't agree........

JRM in line for massive post-Brexit windfall

If you voted leave, you voted for a few extremely wealthy people to get even wealthier. Well done!

@mummmy2017 some people will keep disagreeing with the facts to the death. German Nazi leadership killed their children in the name of the cause.

Speaking of the facts, we've got the first council bankruptcy in 20 years and massive council tax hikes across the country :(

I'm not a great lover of JRM but I think that because he has an interest in investing in emerging markets surely means that at least he will have some expertise in that area. It's a bit of a stretch to suggest that anyone with investments in emerging market investments is going to make a killing, just because we will be able to do our own trade deals with the rest of the world. Any country with an 'emerging' market is unlikely to be one we will target early on after we leave. Who's to say the one his company have invested in will be one we will get deals with.

Any country with an 'emerging' market is unlikely to be one we will target early on after we leave

Realistically, small EM/3rd world countries are the only ones we will be able to target, as we will be the defenseless targets in the other cases.

Corcory Are you happy with someone who is against abortion under under circumstances profiting from medication that induces abortion?

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-abortion-pills-abortion-rape-conservative-party-conference-tory-leadership-leader-a7976386.html%3famp

Under any circumstances

I have tried to have a break from Brexit for a bit as my blood pressure is through the roof at the moment but reading those leaked impact reports has made my blood boil. Why the hell are we doing this to ourselves and, more importantly, to our children?
There have been multiple posts from posters living outside the U.K which are pretty much unanimous in the view that we have lost our minds.
For me, the greatest irony is the people that voted Leave as a vote against ‘the elite’.
If Jacob Rees-Mogg and Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson aren’t the elite, then who the hell is?
And ‘average geezer’ Nigel Fromage went to Dulwich college whose current fees are nearly £40k per year and then worked in the city.
They’re all laughing at you that they’ve managed to pull off one of the greatest con tricks ever.

@MsHooliesCardigan A gigantic confidence trick. Unfortunately the 99% go down as a result of the 25% getting taken. Democracy I guess.

Are you happy with someone who is against abortion under under circumstances profiting from medication that induces abortion?

That's an issue for his own conscience to wrestle with tbh.

It bothers me not one bit what his personal views are, and the medication that induces abortion is presumably legal?

From the article:

Mr Rees Mogg does not have any of his own personal money invested in the fund, and has not personally managed investments since he became an MP in 2010

Farme produces and markets pills that are used to treat stomach ulcers but they are widely known to trigger terminations and in Indonesia, where abortions are illegal and carried out in black market clinics, they are commonly used for this purpose

Mr Rees-Mogg added: “I don’t manage the funds and haven’t done so since I became an MP. But the funds have to be run in accordance with the requirements of the investors and not according to my religious beliefs

“This is not something I would wish to invest in personally but you have a duty as an investment manager not to impose constraints on investors.”

He went on: “This company does not procure the abortion of babies. It’s not my money in these investments and I profit from the total amount of client money we hold, not the investments we make.”

the medication that induces abortion is presumably legal?

It’s medication licenced to treat stomach ulcers, the side effect is that it can induce abortions. It is illegally used to induce abortions in Indonesia.

JRM admits that he benefits “in a roundabout way”.

www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/10/02/jacob-rees-mogg-responds-to-accusations-that-he-profits-from-abortion-pills/

I admit I am a bit ambivalent about this - my pension funds may well be invested in companies that don’t fulfil fully ethical criteria (and I used to work for the kind of company that people used to protest against).

It’s medication licenced to treat stomach ulcers, the side effect is that it can induce abortions. It is illegally used to induce abortions in Indonesia.

So the medication is not 'for' abortions then - it's to treat stomach ulcers.

How is it JRM's fault that people use it illegally to induce abortions?

Gin & coat-hangers were used in the past.
Is it morally wrong to invest in a coat-hanger company?

In theory you could just not invest in a company where the products are knowingly misused.

But it’s not that simple.