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DGRossetti · 05/02/2018 15:38

Before we had the EU to blame, "data protection" was the best way to shut people up ...

"Could I ...?"
"Is it possible ...?"
"Why can't we ...?"

data protection, mate. More than me jobs worth ....

Before that it was "regulations"

"Could I ...?"
"Is it possible ...?"
"Why can't we ...?"

regulations, mate. More than me jobs worth ....

and so on.

And having been taught from an earlier age at school, to not cause a rumpus, few people then respond: Which rules ?, What part of which data protection act ?

Instead we go away and grumble about .

LondonMum8 · 05/02/2018 15:51

@Bearbehind I guess there is some potential silly method in the madness. The idea might have been to keep sending the Dotard in until Barnier gets so fed up with having to deal with this level of ineptitude that he signs some sort of a deal just to get the pain to go away

Who knows, it might work and unicorns could be real too!

OliviaD68 · 05/02/2018 15:59

@LondonMum8

The dotard just ends up giving in. Not so hard for Barnier actually

mummmy2017 · 05/02/2018 17:05

PMSL at your new insult system 1 an 2..

Try system 3 the ability to read the situation and make a decision and being able to read it and come up with the correct answer..

It's about reading the feelings of people, and to see what the lie of the land is.. You don't need piles of fact to do that.

Oh did you see no 2nd referendum, as they say even MORE people would vote leave, as having seen just how the EU are trying to PUNISH us, people can see how PETTY they are.

No one likes a bully. B

OliviaD68 · 05/02/2018 17:19

@mummmy2017

System 1 vs 2 are models of human thought. We all use some of both. Some people are more analytical. Some people go on feeling.

You are more clearly the latter.

Take that as an insult if you want. That's not the way I see it.

mummmy2017 · 05/02/2018 17:26

but is prone to biases and systematic errors.

Insult if I ever read one..

So what if i think differently from you it doesn't mean either of us are right or wrong, but I must be very good at it, as I actually get paid money in a job for doing things my way...

Moussemoose · 05/02/2018 17:28

Why is it implied that regulations are bad?

Health & safety regulations save lives. We have significantly more regulations pertaining to air quality and that is a good thing. The EU does have a tendency to be heavy on the bureaucracy, this is one of the issues most remainers would acknowledge.

However, regulations improve the quality of the sea, rivers and the air we breath. They make work places safe. Regulations keep my data safe. I like regulations.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 05/02/2018 17:28

I'd ignore Olivia if I were you mummmy - she's doing the thing that people do where they've a bit of knowledge about something & then they oversimplify it & incorrectly ascribe their reduced précis to others in an attempt to appear superior.

LondonMum8 · 05/02/2018 17:30

HOLY GUACAMOLE... They are NOT ALLOWING us to HAVE the cake and EAT it TOO. Never mind they have stated their principles CLEARLY before! We are owed whatever BORIS and JACOB say we are OWED.

There, perhaps that will work... Who am I kidding

OliviaD68 · 05/02/2018 17:33

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

What's your excuse for not being analytical and logical?

What drives your system 1 to overpower your system 2?

Thinking takes effort doesn't it? Gut feel and immediate reactions don't.

1 is great for driving. In a Brexit discussion not so much.

mummmy2017 · 05/02/2018 17:34

Jack of all trades Master of none, was what my dad used to say.

Yes but they seem to change the rules to suit themselves, or does anyone else not think the fishing rights coming back to the UK and the EU say they will just fish the younger ones, when it has continuously been rammed down are throats about about conserving stocks and letting fish grown to maturity will now stop as it doesn't work for them.

SusanWalker · 05/02/2018 17:36

It would be a very poor organisation who didn't change its own rules to suit.

mummmy2017 · 05/02/2018 17:36

OliviaD68 your not trying to INSULT anyone are you with your 1's and 2's...

No you wouldn't do that, as that means your no 1.s are over taking over....

mummmy2017 · 05/02/2018 17:40

Throughout 2017, Oceana’s #StopOverfishing campaign will seek to raise awareness on overfishing in Europe and encourage the general public to take action to demand fish catch limits respect scientific advice and not short-term economic interets, which will ultimately jeopdarize fish stocks and the jobs and livilhoods which depend on abundant oceans.

Hasenstein · 05/02/2018 17:54

Faith

Wrt the turnout, I'm far more interested in the non-voters than the people who did - there's loads of studies & theories about why people may have voted as they did, but none? regarding those who didn't.

Perhaps one might allow non-voters the benefit of the doubt and assume that many just found it too fiendishly complex (and the propaganda too strident) to be able to form a coherent decision, so rather than just going with gut instinct they decided to abstain. Such people would obviously have been right about the complexity (as has indeed proved to be the case), rather than just plumping for a binary decision.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 05/02/2018 18:20

What drives your system 1 to overpower your system 2?

The same thing that drives yours to do the same Olivia.

System 1 is what overrides everyone, every single day.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 05/02/2018 18:22

Perhaps one might allow non-voters the benefit of the doubt and assume that many just found it too fiendishly complex (and the propaganda too strident) to be able to form a coherent decision, so rather than just going with gut instinct they decided to abstain. Such people would obviously have been right about the complexity (as has indeed proved to be the case), rather than just plumping for a binary decision.

I did address that in my post Hasenstein:

I'm genuinely interested & would love to see research regarding the non-voters (not those who made an active choice to abstain, but those who simply didn't bother).

OliviaD68 · 05/02/2018 18:32

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

Some have the ability to control system 1 by forcing themselves to think. System 2 can take over for some.

What's your excuse then? Too much work to get the grey cells firing?

Hasenstein · 05/02/2018 18:35

I did address that in my post Hasenstein:

I'm genuinely interested & would love to see research regarding the non-voters (not those who made an active choice to abstain, but those who simply didn't bother).

The issue of daunting complexity may also have applied to "those who didn't bother to vote". They may have found it simply too much to weigh up properly, so thought "Sod it, I won't go and vote". I think it's difficult to tell the difference between those who consciously abstained, those who don't vote on principle and those who couldn't be arsed, which probably applies to most things in their lives.

AgnesSkinner · 05/02/2018 18:38

There was something like 12.5 million people eligible and registered to vote that didn’t. But there were also a lot of people eligible but not registered to vote - I tried to work it out roughly and came up with a figure of about 7 million, most of which were aged under 45 (the theory being the older you are the more settled you are in one place and therefore more likely to be registered).

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 05/02/2018 19:59

System 2 can take over for some.

No it can't.
If that happened you'd be a basket case & unable to function.

mummmy2017 · 05/02/2018 20:20

See told you this 1 and 2 was for insults..

Seem people don't vote as
A Don't care.
B Don't understand.
C Are scared of it all....

This was from a study.

Hasenstein · 05/02/2018 22:27

Seem people don't vote as
A Don't care.
B Don't understand.
C Are scared of it all....

Which was the point I was making. If people genuinely don't understand the issues involved, it's presumably better (or more honest) not to vote. Same goes for people who are scared of it all, although that's presumably similar to Point 2.

It's often heard that Brexiters had numerous different reasons for voting as they did. That also applies to those who didn't vote - they had different reasons for not doing so.

I just think there is something more honest about not voting if you can't understand the issues than not understanding and just voting on gut instinct or taking lies at face value without rational analysis.

mummmy2017 · 05/02/2018 23:03

Hasenstein

The working ages voted a few points apart in the poles, pretty much just like the end result.

However.......
Due to the sheer numbers of the over 65's who could would and did vote, outnumbering the under 24's who voted massively to stay, the end result was people who had lived the EU voted to leave....

People just don't seem to see this, as it's too simple to understand.

Hasenstein · 05/02/2018 23:23

mummy

I don't know what this has to do with the point I was discussing, which was about reasons for not voting. I'm not sure what the age breakdown has to do with this. You mentioned three potential reaons in your previous post; are you now saying that those reasons are age-dependent?