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@Moussemoose

You should know better than to let your ugly facts get in the way of Brexit fantasy.

I would have thought you would have known this already.

If you think/thought the EU was in every corner of our lives, maybe you were a bit paranoid.

Londonmum - I watched the whole of that select committee thing with DD and he certainly didn't come across as the papers you have posted suggested. The thing about him being asked about saying we would have trade deals in 1 to 2 years was said before he was Brexit minister and before the EU stuck their oar in and said they wouldn't let us do any deals before we had left.
Gussy - when I discovered that social workers in Scotland were having to fill I a different type of assessment form for carers because it had to conform with EU guidelines then I think they penetrate much of our lives. The social workers in question now use the 'old' forms they used to use in front of the carer and then transfer all the info onto the 'new' form because it is not fit for purpose.

@Corcory

You're being too generous with Davis. The article 50 process was never about negotiation of a trade (or any other deal). Davis and the govt didn't know that. The A50 process was always designed to negotiate a framework for leaving. The EU has been very consistent about that for a whole host of reasons.

You may recall as well that Davis thought he would negotiate 27 different trade deals with each of the EU27.

So he clearly had no clue.

@Corcory the thing about the social workers is interesting, but do you know what forms? The EU has no involvement with social care. Possibly health and safety - but I don't think so.
If they have to fill the form in in Scotland then the same rules must apply to England and Wales. Why haven't we heard about that?

These half stories often turn out to only have a grain of truth in the. I'm don't want to be antagonist but there are so many half truths about the EU out there.

If nothing else, this whole event has done a brilliant job of puncturing the idea that the British character is stoic, sensible and pragmatic.

It has.

The levels of catastrophising & hyperbole from remoaners have been stratospheric at times.

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

The point was made about both sides. Neither side acquitted itself well during the referendum campaign. Neither side has a focus now, although the lack of a plan from the government is significantly more worrying.

Not every point has to be partisan.

Changes in forms might have something to do with data protection, for which there is EU regulation. Which is entirely sensible.

*The point was made about both sides. Neither side acquitted itself well during the referendum campaign. Neither side has a focus now, although the lack of a plan from the government is significantly more worrying.

Not every point has to be partisan.*

True.

The food we eat... EU regulations.
The Cars we drive conform to EU regulations.
How we farm EU regulations.
The hoovers we use EU regulations.
Who and how we can trade with ,,EU regulations.
Banking EU regulations..

Nope must be mistake,...

@mummmy2017

And so mummmy ... not getting into who crafted these and our veto ... assuming we leave which specific laws and regulations are you looking forward to being free from?

Which ones inconvenience you the most? Top 3...

mummmy when are you going to get it into your head that we will still have to abide by those rules.

If we don't we can't trade with the EU.

The social workers having to fill in different forms was told to me at a meeting of our local carers group by the head of children's services.
So I have no reason to think she wasn't telling the truth.

As for DD and what he said early on after we voted out. Until the EU had put it's foot down we had no idea how trade negotiations would work or that they would say we couldn't negotiate any until after we leave. They had nothing to do with article 50.

Until the EU had put it's foot down we had no idea how trade negotiations would work or that they would say we couldn't negotiate any until after we leave. They had nothing to do with article 50

The EU was very clear from even before A50 was triggered that that process was only about the terms of leaving, not the terms of future trade agreements.

The fact that Leavers choose not to listen to that is rather illustrative of the problem we have now.

But Bear and Olivia, why should we abide by the EU regulations for things that we will never export to them? Building regulations for instance or regulations within our own social services as I have mentioned.
Remember we only trade 8% of our GDP with the EU so there are loads of things we don't need to bother with here.

@Bearbehind

Good point. Even if we leave the EU if we want to trade we have to comply ...

But humour me. I'd like mummy to list the top 3 laws or regs that inconveniences her and that she thinks is a good idea to get rid of.

HSE legislation has improved worker welfare, reduced ill health and absenteeism and boosted productivity.

For products, the UK has the second least regulated market in the OECD group of developed economies.

www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/economics/the-2013-update-of-the-oecd-s-database-on-product-market-regulation_5js3f5d3n2vl-en#page17

A study by the Centre for European Performance at the LSE found that EU membership in general (and Single Market access specifically) increases FDI inflows to the UK by about 30% and countries leaving the EU would face a reduction in FDI inflows of around 22%.

cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/dp1453.pdf

But that’s just pedalling figures again, isn’t it?

Bear, you are splitting hairs. DD said these things in the very early days. Many people weren't clear whither or not we could negotiate trade deals at the same time as negotiating our exit via A50.

@Corcory

Because trade agreements don't just cover trade. They cover human rights. Environmental protection etc.

So while we

corcory could you provide a link to how the EU has specified which form our social services have to use.

It is my experience that the reality of similar situations is that someone devised the form, got a load of grief because it's not fit for purpose, then decided to blame it on the EU.

@Corcory

Because trade agreements don't just cover trade. They cover human rights. Environmental protection etc.

So while we may loosen building regs (not sure if these are EU driven ... and if they are why we would want our buildings less safe ...) a whole host of other regs will continue to apply.

Companies can't manufacture goods at two standards. It's too expensive. They'll go for the highest standard to access the EU market.

Bear, you are splitting hairs. DD said these things in the very early days.

Wasn't it just a few days before he took up his current role? I.e., after the referendum.

Many people weren't clear whither or not we could negotiate trade deals at the same time as negotiating our exit via A50.

Well they should have been clear because the facts were clearly stated.

This is the whole problem here; Leavers don't listen to 'facts' if they are not what they want to hear.

I was simply backing up my statement that the EU are involved in all aspect of UK life.
Stop trying to do your normal answer me this thing, as not biting.

• gussyfinknottle Sun 04-Feb-18 19:59:52 If you think/thought the EU was in every corner of our lives, maybe you were a bit paranoid.Waste of time to do that with you. *

The levels of catastrophising & hyperbole from remoaners have been stratospheric at times.

Oh yes, my Brexshitter friend. Off to pick up today's copies of the Mail and the Express to get a bit of a balanced coverage. :D