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BrexitArmsLandlady · 19/01/2018 15:17

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LondonMum8 · 23/01/2018 12:56

The people... WTF does that even mean? In most modern democracies important "constitutional" decisions are taken with a supermajority of 66%. Only at that threshold does it perhaps start becoming reasonable and fair to talk about "the people" having spoken.

mummmy2017 · 23/01/2018 14:08

I think it means the people, as in the ones who live in the country he lives in.

As in when you go into any town center and talk to the people who live there, most are not happy. People really do feel they are ignored, if you look at how London see things it's so very different to other area's of the country where the people who live there don't look or think the same way...

Down to the educational and monetary levels.... maybe

OliviaD68 · 23/01/2018 14:17

Bane and the people ... demagoguery at its best.

Hook line and sinker eh?

mummmy2017 · 23/01/2018 14:28

So sad you can't see that in giving The People the EU vote, this was always an option, one that was never seen to be the end result but really isn't this a case of something must be very wrong for the country as a whole to have been misunderstood so entirely by the person who was the PM.
He had advice from the most educated and knowing people in the country, he could have called on any and every Uni in the country, people paid to know and understand ever aspect of the UK, and how the vote could have / should have/ would have voted.

Yet in truth they had no blooming idea they would lose, a shocking misreading of the General public.

OliviaD68 · 23/01/2018 14:35

Yeah but the Russians sure did.

mummmy2017 · 23/01/2018 15:00

Olivia, in that one sentence in my eyes you have just lost any hope that anything you say can be taken seriously...

Thank for playing the TOP card..

OliviaD68 · 23/01/2018 15:11

Oh mummy you're naive to think Papi Putin didn't influence Brexit. Or Trump. Or Indyref1 (failed). Or the French election (failed).

He's done well for himself.

time4chocolate · 23/01/2018 15:12

Mummy 👍 very well put.

June 24th 2016 - the day the people who thought they knew everything realised they knew absolutely nothing.

mummmy2017 · 23/01/2018 15:17

When people say it's Putin what done it... Blush

No Olivia, the vote for both Trump and Brexit hung on the common man, those who felt they had been left behind and were unheard by the likes of London and California...

Moral of the Story...
Try asking the normal people of your country what they want, instead of thinking they are sheep who will do as they are told.

OliviaD68 · 23/01/2018 15:24

Right so I guess our GCHQ, MI5 and 6 are fake news? Like the NSA, CIA and FBI?

Yeah. I'm convinced. Russia couldn't possibly have influenced anyone because media are ineffective at swaying opinion.

And marketing and advertisements don't work either because people can see through all that and think on their own.

And Boris. He promised £350m on a bus an nobody believed him. No one. Not a single voter.

Yep. Makes sense.

Mummmy: just so you're aware the above is sarcasm.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 23/01/2018 15:26

June 24th 2016 - the day the people who thought they knew everything realised they knew absolutely nothing.

👍👍

Yep!
Mummmy's right - all the top thinkers, experts & advisors were so completely out of touch & out of step.

Ditto the countless people wailing and tantrumming after the vote - such a shock to the system to realise that everyone wasn't 'exactly like them'.

whooptifeckindo · 23/01/2018 15:28

I think there is more than one flock of sheep here.

LondonMum8 · 23/01/2018 15:29

Ok so The People are the people m2017 meets whilst shopping and hanging out. All hope for a serious conversation is lost at this point.

T4C inadvertently brought up a good point though: some people were angry and thought it would be a good idea to "give the elites a bloody nose". All they really achieved was an initiation of a megapunch that will hit them by far the hardest. I would wait with conclusions for the actual Brexit or the meltdown of the NHS, whichever comes sooner.

mummmy2017 · 23/01/2018 15:30

Who uses the MEDIA FACEBOOK ..

they are the ones who if any got the full force of Putin...

Lets think how did this group vote .. Remain..

INstragram.. Same group.
Twitter .... Same group.

So are you saying that Putin got to the youth of this country and they voted the say they did because they were BRAINWASHED,,

Ok Oliva, still not convinced.. but can see your point.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 23/01/2018 15:34

Russian interference in Brexit has been massively overstated.

"...Researcher Yin Yin Lu told Sky News that she had found 416 tweets from the Russian accounts from March to July 2016 (i.e. the months preceding the EU referendum).
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She was careful to point out that “the number of these tweets is important to highlight. So there’s about 400 tweets here out of 22.6 million. That is a very infinitesimal fraction. So the word ‘interference’ is perhaps a bit exaggerated”....
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...A second report – this time from the University of Edinburgh – found a higher number of tweets about Brexit from the Russian Internet Research Agency. The Guardian reports that researchers identified 419 accounts operating from the Agency that were attempting to influence UK politics. The accounts were on the list of 2,752 accounts suspended by Twitter in the US.
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Professor Laura Cram, who led the research, told the Guardian that those 419 accounts tweeted about Brexit at total of 3,468 times – mostly after the referendum had taken place....^"

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/heres-what-we-know-about-alleged-russian-involvement-in-brexit

OliviaD68 · 23/01/2018 15:36

Facebook is now used by everyone. My mom uses FB a lot and she's 80.

Ditto on Twitter. The US president - active Twitter user - is a senile old git.

Instagram is for selfie models.

mummmy2017 · 23/01/2018 15:41

The over 65's were the people who were here pre- EU.
They have seen both sides of this, and then they voted to leave.
Do you think the over 65's are angry mod? Are the majotity of this age group wrong to feel that things were not as promised, they have had 40 years of living with the EU and knowing that this was not what it was supposed to be...
25 to 64, the vote was pretty much a tie, so that means just as many people liked the EU as felt it didn't work and would like to try some other way.

Since the vast majority of our political parties are made up of Middle age MP's isn't the UK run by the older age group.

mummmy2017 · 23/01/2018 15:47

Twitter is a young persons's site, 95 Million under 25. so yes if someone was GOT at it's still the youth...

Instagram is also 74 Million under 29.. Still the younger age group.

Facebook seems to be 100 Million under 34. Still not old people...

Still sure Putin got at the older voter....

jetscram.com/blog/industry-news/social-media-user-statistics-and-age-demographics-2014/

twofingerstoEverything · 23/01/2018 15:54

Mummmy's right - all the top thinkers, experts & advisors were so completely out of touch & out of step

That doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong though, does it? Personally, I respect the views of people like Prof Michael Dougan more than 'the people'. Just because huge numbers of people think something is right, doesn't mean it is (I'm thinking conspiracy theorists, flat earthers, etc...)

And LOL at the idea of Facebook and Twitter being hangouts of the young!

OliviaD68 · 23/01/2018 16:05

I trust the collective viewpoint of the US and U.K. intelligence communities more than a poster on Mumsnet.

Call me funny.

mummmy2017 · 23/01/2018 16:08

I know it's disgusting, all the OAP'S in the care homes on their laptops, Ipads and latest mobiles, posting about the food and the latest makeup looks... let alone all the nude pictures. They should be ashamed of themselves, listening to Putin telling them what to do.

I wonder what he offered them. free drugs,?

time4chocolate · 23/01/2018 17:02

some people were angry and thought it would be a good idea to "give the elites a bloody nose"

Well when the elites can’t see what’s going on right under their noses then a punch on the nose probably seemed like a good idea to them. The same applies to the elite in Brussels, they have very little idea/interest in what people think outside of their own little nest so they too have received a bloody nose.

For the angry element it’s been a bit like a two for one deal really!! I would imagine they don’t have too many regrets either.

OliviaD68 · 23/01/2018 17:05

Until their own fist hits them in the schnoz on the recoil.

mummmy2017 · 23/01/2018 17:13

Don't worry Olivia... Putin will step in to protect them, or the Unicorns.

LondonMum8 · 23/01/2018 17:36

Turning out to be Putin's useful idiots, effectively, tends to be a hard thing to accept for Brexiters...

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