Does anyone actually care about blue passports?

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Especially given that we were always perfectly free to opt for blue if people if people were that desperate?

DS is a Leaver & thinks blue passports are the only thing that's gone right recently. I got this book recently, looking forward to the read!

I couldn't give a toss about passport colour; it's very rare that I use mine anyway, due to a) finances and b) my health. It's not something I've sat and thought about nor care about.

Haven't heard either Leavers or Remainers discuss it in Real Life either.

Please point out to my any leaver 'getting worked up' about passports on these threads Deep.
I have seen none - that is my point.
Not interested in what the idiots in the Mail or Express are saying I was talking about on here.

You may have been talking about on here, Corcory, I wasn't. There's a world outside MN, you know.

remainers don't have to try hard on this or any other thread to get leavers worked up about passport colours

Tbf it reads like you're implying Leavers on this thread are getting worked up over passport colour, Deepan

Well, no, MichaelFabricantsHair. The original comment was in response to a post saying remainers were desperately trying to whip up a reaction from leavers, and I was pointing out that it's odd to think they would either want or need to do so - if anything the thread is responding to the orgasmic reaction leavers have been demonstrating to this total non-event.

That's what I was getting at too Michael.
All my comments were specifically about the threads on here and how remainers were talking on here as if the leavers on these threads were so pleased with the blue passport thing and no one was bothered really...

I haven't seen many if any leavers wittering on about how wonderful having the Blue passport is going to be. Certainly not on these threads.
But I have seen on here plenty remainers going on about leavers being so pleased about it!!!

Yes, this is what they do Corcory - it's a well worn technique on MN EU threads.

Remainers get cross about something & desperately search for Brexiters to lash out at. When they find none, they do what my teenager does & make attempts to deliberately engineer a situation where they can express their outrage.

This is usually achieved by lots of frothing about how 'Brexiters are doing/saying/thinking' whatever, then this allows them & their pals to attack something that is in fact nothing more than a petulant leap of their own imagination.

Fwiw I'm yet another MN Brexiter that couldn't give a wank about the colour of the passports.

I'm intrigued by the fact that so many Brexiters are in denial that the right wing celebration of blue passports hasn't happened. FaithHopeCharity, are you really suggesting that the reaction of the right wing press to this ridiculous decision is simply a petulant leap of MN remainers' imagination? Is this reaction something purely fictional made up by remainers? Have you had your eyes closed since the decision was announced?

Argh, that should be ",,, in denial that the right wing celebration of blue passports has happened."

No denial, merely expressing agreement with the posters who have (correctly) pointed out that you'd be hard pressed to find a leaver on any of the MN threads who has expressed glee at the colour change, whilst there are myriad posts from remainers suggesting otherwise.

I don't believe I made any mention of the press at all, right wing or otherwise - feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken though.

I think that the remainers on these threads need to remember that it's the job of the press to whip up any intrigue and suspicion of the 'other' side to make things into a story and they are falling for it.
The leavers on here are the 'real' people who voted leave and still believe their decision was the right one. None of us have said we have changed our minds, none of us were that bothered about the passport thing, none of us voted because of a bus!
I am always more interested in the personal views of the people on here or what the government or other decision makers are saying. Not what some blogger thinks or some columnist has written.

The thread isn't about MNers who may or may not welcome the colour change. The thread is very obviously about a generic news story, which includes the response of the PM who called it iconic and "an expression of our independence and sovereignty – symbolising our citizenship of a proud, great nation"; also those of the right wing press and the likes of Farage and his supporters. The desperation of leavers to try to shut that aspect out of the discussion and suggest that it is just froth whipped up by remainers is very revealing.

I'm sure leavers on MN think their decision was the right one, and I hope they're correct in that. But it's idle to pretend that there exists no-one who thinks that in some way our national identity is down to passport colour and that we have in some way been stopped from asserting it over the last 20 years.

I don't believe I made any mention of the press at all, right wing or otherwise

That's the point, really, FaithHope. You seem to be refusing to acknowledge that anything in the big world outside this thread can be relevant to it.

The desperation of leavers to try to shut that aspect out of the discussion and suggest that it is just froth whipped up by remainers is very revealing.

Revealing how?

Why the desperation to ascribe thought processes to Brexiters?

Your original intention for this thread may have been generic & not about MNers, but posts like this change the tone & direction:

the point is that remainers don't have to try hard on this or any other thread to get leavers worked up about passport colours: all too many have demonstrated all too often that they are.

Quite weird therefore that when posters respond to that, your 'point' then reverts back to the thread not being about MN posters.

Well, no. The fact is that there is a substantial group of people who are Leavers who have been making a mahoosive fuss about blue passports. They don't need to be whipped up about it, they have already whipped themselves up; nor do thought processes have to be ascribed to them, they are making their thought processes entirely clear. The suggestion that remainers are somehow making that up or trying to create something that isn't there, is bizarre.

In first few days after the Referendum, loads of people on Radio phone-ins or interviewed, saying they regretted their vote, they never meant Brexit to happen. This went on all day on talk radio stations.

I didn't hallucinate those interviews. I don't think BBC invented those people. There were buckets of them coming forward, willing to be named, tried to take responsibility for a regretted decision.

At least one person I know IRL was openly saying beforehand that she didn't want Brexit, but she meant to vote Leave simply to kick "the establishment."

There was even a Leave-campaigning Tory MP who resigned (something, junior minister?) in protest against hard Brexit. I haven't hallucinated that, either.

The idea that all Leave voters knew what they were doing & have never wavered... don't be so ridiculous.

Nigel Farage quite welcomed blue passports as important part of Brexit, David Davis also talked up the point as important benefit from Brexit.

Well, no. The fact is that there is a substantial group of people who are Leavers who have been making a mahoosive fuss about blue passports. They don't need to be whipped up about it, they have already whipped themselves up

the point is that remainers don't have to try hard on this or any other thread to get leavers worked up about passport colours: all too many have demonstrated all too often that they are.

So, where 'on this or any other thread' are Leavers getting 'worked up', 'making a mahoosive fuss' or indeed 'whipping themselves up' about the colour of passports?

'This or any other thread' suggests MN to me, taken in the context that the post was made.

On MN, the only threads I have seen about the colour of passports have been started by remainers, and the only outraged posts I've seen re the colour of passports have been made by remainers.

Leavers on MN, on 'this or any other thread' have pretty much been spectacularly unbothered by the colour of their passport.

Exactly Faith. My original post was solely talking about MNers.

lljkk - I am sure there are leavers who regret their decision but I was talking about the leavers on here. I'm not suggesting that there aren't people who regret their decision, but I am also sure there are people who voted remain who now see the value in leaving.

Deep - your original post asked if anyone actually cared about blue passports and we all answered that question as to what we thought personally. At no stage did you suggest you were asking the whole world just us on here I thought.

FFS, people don't seriously come on to MN assuming that their subject matter is solely confined to MNers, do they? How many hundreds of threads are there about issues in the news which deal with reactions that go well beyond those of participants in the thread? It really is slightly bizarre that some people are desperately trying to confine the discussion in that manner to avoid acknowledging the obvious fact that there are, sadly, large numbers of Brexit supporters who seriously agree with the nonsense spouted by May about blue passports being iconic and an expression of independence and sovereignty.

It was you who said 'this or any other thread' wrt Leavers getting worked up.
It 'really is slightly bizarre that you are desperately trying' to claim otherwise tbh.

I think anyone who believes their national identity depends on the colour of their passport---- has a pretty weak sense of their national identity.

I also suspect that a lot of people cheering the blue passport don't actually have a passport

For the record I don’t give a shiny s**t what colour my passport is.

Obviously its mostly the media that think this is something we should all be up in arms about.