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BrexitArmsLandlady · 08/12/2017 21:45

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Thought I'd dust off the optics & open the bar for the festive period Xmas Smile

If any of the the old crowd are still around, then do pop in for a Christmas catch up & join me in toasting the end of the beginning!

Onward! To Brexit!

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MsHooliesCardigan · 18/01/2018 14:18

Ok, I give up.

mummmy2017 · 18/01/2018 14:19

Wasn't that said in the vein of lets vote again, get even more saying leave then the remain can shut up for 10 years.

JWIM · 18/01/2018 14:24

A 'no deal' outcome is a possibility. But it would be the UK's responsibility because it would be our Gov't that set that resulting outcome in motion (Art 50). We would also be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement. We would also have no trading agreements with any of the countries that we would want to continue trading with and currently also no clear position/country status within the WTO.

So many challenges. All with economic and political consequences - for better or worse. My understanding is 'for worse' for many years. How one values that 'cost' will colour how one feels about leaving the EU. However, the 'no deal' possibility will have a cost, immediately and for some years thereafter, so affecting our children and young people, and if their economic futures are restricted it will also negatively affect us as we age as we will not have the national income to support health/social care, pensions for we, by then pensioners/elderly.

Bearbehind · 18/01/2018 14:24

If this happened then how is it the UK's fault if the SM option is no longer an option as we have run out of time to do a deal?

You’re still not getting what I’m saying mummmy

I’m saying I don’t think we will get to a point where we leave the SM. It’s simply not compatible with the things we’ve already agreed in the first stage of discussions.

We are going to end up accepting we have to continue to pay the EU for access to the SM.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 18/01/2018 14:27

Breathtaking ignorance on show here. No part of Ireland is English. NI is governed by Britain. Many people in NI identify as Irish not British as enshrined in the GFA. Ireland was bullied by the larger island for 700 years. It led to armed struggle and partition followed by more armed struggle. Nobody is going to open that hornets nest again.

This is why I am opposed to Brexit. Not only do leavers not know what they voted for beyond “just leave!” They don’t even understand the history of their own country!

JWIM · 18/01/2018 14:33

Mummy in the UK referendum Northern Ireland (part of the UK) voted and that country voted significantly more to remain in the EU. Scotland also voted significantly more to remain in the EU. However neither of those two countries is sovereign and is a member of the EU under the single entity that is the UK. So whatever the voters in these two UK member countries might have wanted, they have to abide by the result of the total UK vote - a close 51.?:49.? result.

The Republic of Ireland is a sovereign country separate from the UK and did not participate in the referendum.

It is not clear what Nigel Farage thinks the benefit of a second referendum would be, or what the question would be.

mummmy2017 · 18/01/2018 14:38

GhostofFrankGrimes at no point did I say Governed.
Are you not telling me that NI is not part of the United Kingdom,

Your all saying we have no choice it has to be X Y Z.
Well if so then why are we not already have a deal.
I won't stop saying it as it's shortsighted of you all to think it's all done bar the shouting, why can't you see, no matter what the deal is that is put before the EU27 it could still be derailed by another country who feel it's not in their best interests.

borntobequiet · 18/01/2018 14:43

BUT part of Ireland is also English.
Dear God...

GhostofFrankGrimes · 18/01/2018 14:46

It is not English mummy.

The UK is derailing itself by voting Brexit. The wants and needs of NI and England are very different. That’s why leaving can never properly work.

mummmy2017 · 18/01/2018 14:50

Everyone else understood what I meant borntobequiet.
If there was an edit button I would change the wording for you,
Part of Ireland is in the UK.

Does that help.

mummmy2017 · 18/01/2018 14:52

Ghost that has been made very plain.

But somehow it has to be made to work, or what Ireland becomes one, and stays in the EU.

Bearbehind · 18/01/2018 15:07

Your all saying we have no choice it has to be X Y Z. Well if so then why are we not already have a deal.

Because we want to keep everything just as it is, without pesky immigrants, and not pay anything for it.

That's never going to happen so we will drag this out until the last minute and then blame everything on the nasty EU for not letting us have our cake and eat it.

JWIM · 18/01/2018 15:14

Mummy
At present, to keep the DUP support (current UK Gov's supply and confidence partner) in the UK Parliament, the UK Gov't has said that there will be no separate treatment for NI compared to the rest of the UK - ie that NI joins with the RoI. [The history of the relationship between the UK and Ireland runs deep with much blood spilt]
So no 'all Ireland in the EU' solution.

In any case the UK Gov't has stated, ahead of the second round of Brexit negotiations that will discuss/agree the future trading relationship, that there will be no border between NI and the RoI and there will be alignment on the trading terms with the EU across the whole of the UK.

So the question is, is there any other arrangement that achieves all the UK Gov't stated aims and meets our international treaty obligations, apart from remaining in the Single Market and Customs Union, paying our financial obligations but having no say in the EU rule setting?
I appreciate that this may not be the outcome you either expected or hoped for after the referendum result, but there we are.
Interestingly it is not the outcome I expected or hoped for after the referendum. So, although we are on differetn sides of the debate, we maybe have this in common.

twofingerstoEverything · 18/01/2018 15:43

BUT part of Ireland is also English.
OMG. Really?

twofingerstoEverything · 18/01/2018 15:43

BUT part of Ireland is also English.
OMG. Really?

twofingerstoEverything · 18/01/2018 15:43

BUT part of Ireland is also English.
OMG. Really?

twofingerstoEverything · 18/01/2018 15:44

Sorry, don't know what happened there!

Bearbehind · 18/01/2018 16:22

BUT part of Ireland is also English

I realise everyone makes mistakes and typos but there have been some pretty fundamental ones on here lately which indicate these aren't actually errors, rather they are the first thoughts of the posters.

Bearbehind · 18/01/2018 16:22

BUT part of Ireland is also English

I realise everyone makes mistakes and typos but there have been some pretty fundamental ones on here lately which indicate these aren't actually errors, rather they are the first thoughts of the posters.

Bearbehind · 18/01/2018 16:22

BUT part of Ireland is also English

I realise everyone makes mistakes and typos but there have been some pretty fundamental ones on here lately which indicate these aren't actually errors, rather they are the first thoughts of the posters.

Bearbehind · 18/01/2018 16:22

BUT part of Ireland is also English

I realise everyone makes mistakes and typos but there have been some pretty fundamental ones on here lately which indicate these aren't actually errors, rather they are the first thoughts of the posters.

Bearbehind · 18/01/2018 16:22

BUT part of Ireland is also English

I realise everyone makes mistakes and typos but there have been some pretty fundamental ones on here lately which indicate these aren't actually errors, rather they are the first thoughts of the posters.

Bearbehind · 18/01/2018 16:30

Bugger, the gremlins got me too!

mummmy2017 · 18/01/2018 16:51

Sorry Bear it made me smile, the little gremlin is getting a lot of people today... Did you see it's on other posts as well..

OliviaD68 · 18/01/2018 17:24

@mummmy2017

I don't understand something.

It's pretty clear Bear & Co are providing you with a lot of rich information about how things work.

Faced with new information and facts most people I engage with daily change their views. What are you doing this with newly acquired knowledge? How are you processing it?