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Thought I'd dust off the optics & open the bar for the festive period

If any of the the old crowd are still around, then do pop in for a Christmas catch up & join me in toasting the end of the beginning!

Onward! To Brexit!

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Olivia I wonder if Barnier was just carefully pointing out that Cameron was supporting greater fiscal integration in 2012 (a bit of a u turn from his stance the previous year) and that it wasn’t a policy that the UK had continuously rejected?

@AgnesSkinner

Possibly. I was not aware Cameron said this. I'm not a fan (of either Cameron or this silly concept).

On this subject, I see how it might be believed this needs to happen in the eurozone to reduce economic imbalances, though even then I don't think this works (even with a banking union which is supposed to solve part of the problem that led to the fin crisis). The EU is not the USA.

I see zero need for non-eurozone members. But it is likely I don't have all the facts.

Where the fck do you think they are supposed to come from if many feel unwelcome and want to go home or are no longer coming here because you lot tell them not to?*

"You lot"?

And yet it was you who posted this:

Hurrah - immigrants back home!

With tedious predictability it's a Remoaner who makes disparaging comments about EU migrants & then attributes those sentiments to over 17 million other people.

It's really no wonder that these people feel unwelcome tbh - repeated assertions that they're not welcome are made by remoaning toddlers and passed off as 'what Brexiters think'.

Nasty.

Even Nigel Farage wants a second referendum. I think deep down he knows its a shit show and he's going to be held responsible for it. I think we should give him what wants. We need another referendum to undo the first one.

I'm fully abreast of the meaning of sarcasm, thanks.

Your attempts at put-downs are totes hilaire btw - entirely in keeping with the toddleresque persona you seem to have adopted.

Even Nigel Farage wants a second referendum

He's trolling remoaners.
(And appears to have been successful judging by the reactions).

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

"He's trolling remoaners."

How about in the week before the referendum, when Farage himself called for a second referendum in the event of a narrow vote for remain? Was that trolling too?

Regardless, you have zero evidence to support your assertion. He commented that he was coming round to the idea of a second referendum, which to his mind would end in the same result and kill off the issue.

Incidentally, I don't personally want a second referendum. I think we should follow through on the first one so everyone can see the consequences (whether they be good, bad or indifferent).

I’m convinced a second referendum would come back even more in leave’s favour. But, do we really want to pit the two ‘sides’ off again?

@jm90914

Really dumb of him if he wants Brexit.

Something must have triggered him. MEP salary and pension? Something for him to do - public gadfly - and keep complaining about.

It's odd.

No one cares in any case; he has no voice.

I’d vote leave again, so would all the leavers I know.
Bring it on if that’s what the majority want? But I don’t think they do & we wouldn’t get one anyway.
It is what it is.

Agree surfer....I think brexiteers are steadfast in their opinion, and we’re from the very start. Lots of remainers bought into project fear, and are now seeing the eu for what it is. I know some remainers think they know best and want to stop brexit to save us idiot brexiteers from ourselves, but I think the reverse could be the real truth of the matter.

More than happy for a second referendum. Remainers are also steadfast in their opinion. Leavers I know have changed their minds. People I know who didn't bother to vote are pretty much all remain and are desperate for another chance to have their say. 48:52 is indeed unfinished business. It feels strange to say it, but for once, I agree with Nige.

Corbyn says no 2nd vote.
May says no 2nd vote.
The Eu said we are leaving..
HOW just How do you think this would all wash,

I don't often agree w @mummmy2017, but I do here.

Fromage has set twitter alight so I was wrong about having no voice. But I agree he'll get no purchase w Tories or Labour and this needs primary legislation.

@OliviaD68 Lol, I know sometimes I get a bit cross about things that are said about the remain./leave thing.

I was slightly surprised that the Big Cheese wanted a 2nd REF.. as like you I just don't see how that would work, as pretty sure the EU would want the money to leave, and want money to join again,

I am so bad to really really want this to work, to wonder why the EU keep pretending that they won't lose anything in this deal, when thoughts about trade deals , and fishing rights are suddenly becoming more that dreams.

The Eu said we are leaving

This is something remainers always overlook, you know, as if we can suddenly change our mind & the EU just have to accept it.
The EU would tell us to go fuck ourselves. & who would blame them?

@mummmy2017

A few things:

1. The money we pay to leave is what we owe already. I think if we chose to join again (if we leave), there would not be a big difference though admittedly the Thatcher discount could fall away.

2. I don't believe I have ever heard the EU ever say they have nothing to lose. I do believe they have priorities which are different to ours which override UK-EU trade economics, namely the preservation of the Single Market. We are trying to chip away at that; the EU is rightly saying no as to cede anything means the SM no longer works.

Also - I know you know this - bear in mind we are 8% of their goods trade and they are goods 50% of our trade. I don't know the services trade split but it's very large for us - eg Fin Services. Simple maths: it's just going to impact them less so I understand the EU27's need to focus on maintaining Single Market principles.

There was a leaked trade report for the EU, and it seems just like we said long ago, countries are worried about the loss of trade/tourism, We buy an awful lot more from them, than they do from us.
It cited the loss of 60% of one countries fish quota.
Spain's islands are asking for help, due to the lack of holiday bookings, and there are calls for the EU to compensate the losers.
Corbyn has said we will come out of the Single Market, and so has May, then you get some German saying we can stay, will have to pay into the budget and have no rights. We have to accept the fact that you can't please everyone, and unless the EU acknowledge (Which the y don't seem to want to) that compromise is needed, they will force the NO deal, hence why we now have May appointing someone to look into this as a minister.
I Have always said I think this will be the outcome, as how do you get so many countries to agree, when all have different needs to protect.

@mummmy2017

Leaving the SM and CU is our choice. We could stay in the SM under Efta if we had wanted to but apparently May said we needed to leave.

So the choice we now have is a Canada style FTA. Our choice. This excludes fin services. How this is going to work with NI is interesting. Not to say impossible.

So if I may: I think the red lines we have set ourselves have led to this. It will be the UK's decision to leave without an agreement.

I hope we all know some of the consequences by now if this is the case. And this is why I believe Brexit cannot happen. The shock would be too extreme and as incompetent as Westminster is this is widely realised.

Haha! Lol at Nigel he's really getting the remoaners going.

Yeah good old Nige. What a hero

I expect most people who voted Leave would do so again. What's likely to be more significant than mind changes is that those who couldn't vote last time but could do now are very Remain leaning.

@IsaSchmisa

I think you are right. Most Leavers will clearly vote Leave again.

There has been a shift of Leavers towards Remain - per the polls - but I agree the majority of Leave would vote Leave again.