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Thought I'd dust off the optics & open the bar for the festive period

If any of the the old crowd are still around, then do pop in for a Christmas catch up & join me in toasting the end of the beginning!

Onward! To Brexit!

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Olivia Come on in - sit down and have a drink. What you drinking?

@Moussemoose

I understand. But this extends to drafting texts as well. Might have understood the EC makes recommendations too. And the US house is elected. The Commission is not.

So it is more black boxy as an institution. I have worked the EC and there is a bit of a feeling of Kafka's castle.

I don't know a huge amount about Brussels but conceptually I would have sympathy for anyone who stated it needed restructuring. After 46 years there MUST be some house cleaning to do. I just couldn't tell you how specifically.

I'm still curious to hear about financial services passports from @FaithHopeCharityDesperation**

I have no inclination to enter into tedious, pointless discussion with you, sorry.
Also, I have made no mention of financial services or the passporting thereof, so unsure why I have been summoned to respond.

Why are MN remoaners so needy all the time? Always demanding answers?
(Rhetorical question only, does not require a response)

faith you didn't mention passporting personally however you were very quick to jump in the goady/ sneery bandwagon.

Sadly it's descended into the time honoured 'I have no inclination to answer'

It's not tedious or pointless to ask what infitnites basis is for thinking we can keep passporting.

I'd love to know what evidence there is that that is going to happen.

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

Feeling privileged to share cyberspace with such a high falutin individual as yourself.

How dare we Remoaners ask questions? What right do we have to inquire about how leaving the EU might impact our livelihoods?

Hey. I have an idea.

How about you lot stop pretending you have reasons for leaving the EU.

Just say. "I have no reasons. Just because I want to." This is basically what you have all been saying since 2016. Because there is no good reason.

Jealousy maybe ("daily allowances "). Forriners perhaps. Succumbed to demagoguery too. Intellectual laziness. Whatever.

None of these are any good.

So just do us all a favour. Stop kidding yourself and wasting our time with supposed rationales. You have none. They don't exist.

You back on the sauce Olivia?
Last diatribe was a wee bit incoherent.

Pork scratchings anyone?

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

Leaver doesn't know how to respond or answer simple questions and asks whether Remainer is drinking. Easier to do that than get the little grey cells working.

Original. I like it.

Pork scratchings? Does anyone still eat those?

Why is it impossible to have a sensible discussion on this thread without it reverting to insults?

I asked infinite to back up a comment she made.

That's not unreasonable on a discussion forum yet, as ever, it as descended into smoke and mirrors.

Drink!

I love a bit of salty pork.

Anyway, I think entering into a political debate does imply you want to errrrrrrr ........debate. To debate you need to answer points. That's kind of, like, the whole point.

OliviaD68 I am more than happy to enter into a tedious debate about constitutional politics. I fear I am a bit of a nerd on these matters. I think it is important we constantly revisit constitutional issues because we absolutely do get redos in a democracy. We need to revise the constitution as issues and plates shift. It's good practice.

I just wandered in by mistake but hey it’s a New Year, so as a New Year’s resolution let’s be open minded. Why not try and work together constructively looking at the detail of each sector in a constructive and logical way. Let's leave smoke and mirrors behind.

Financial services has popped up let’s start with that. Those who are happy we are relinquishing EU membership, help us understand what is your vision for financial services now?Will it continue to be so important to the economy? If so with which countries and on what terms, tariffs and conditions?

To put it in context ...

In 2016, financial and insurance services contributed £124.2 billion in gross value added (GVA) to the UK economy, 7.2% of the UK's total GVA. London accounted for 51% of the total financial and insurance sector GVA in the UK in 2015.

(http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06193/SN06193.pdf)

If you think this business will be replaced by something else let’s be open minded to that,once our EU membership is relinquished what do you think will replace it?

I’m genuinely trying to understand the logic behind opposing views here.

@lonelyplanetmum

You are right.

@Moussemoose

I'm pretty geeky but I think you've outnerded me here. You definitely know more than I and I know so little - I fear I would have little to add to the discussion. It wouldn't be fair: I'd learn a ton from you and you nothing from me.

I agree with you that governance is a moving feast and occasionally needs revision.

"I’m genuinely trying to understand the logic behind opposing views here"

Yeah @lonelyplanetmum there is one word in that sentence that makes it really, really difficult to reply to.

I'll give you a clue. It starts with'l" and ends in "ogic".

@Moussemoose

I hear crickets. You hear them too?

Can't hear over the sound of me chomping pork scratchings.

@Moussemoose

Chirp.

@Moussemoose

Chirp. Chirp.

@OliviaD68

Crunch, chomp, crunch........

Crunch

@Moussemoose

Chirp. How are those scratchings?

Seeing lots of these on Twitter now. Honest folk how now know they've been told porkies - no pun intended wrt pork scratchings.

So @InfiniteSheldon How are you feeling about financial services passports now?

And our NHS funding drama?

Our NHS nurses and docs going home to the EU? Hurrah - immigrants back home!

David Davis complaining to TM the EU is preparing for a no deal scenario when he told them the UK would be happy with that.

All good right?

Get ready for brownouts because 26% of our fuel is nuclear and we need the EU for that.

Aviation. You probably know by now we need to renegotiate some 20 treaties so planes can fly in and out of the UK. And the EU is kinda at the heart of these.

Goods. 40% of our food is imported and we export a fair bit - meats - too. Under WTO we must have a border system ...

And that border system will be completely compatible with the Good Friday Agreement. Of course. Because we promised no border in NI.

All is well. Feeling good.

Barnier’s speech to the CER last month is worth a read - transcript is here:

www.cer.eu/in-the-press/speech-michel-barnier-future-eu-conference

Our NHS nurses and docs going home to the EU? Hurrah - immigrants back home!

Not sure if you're referring to these HCPs?
If so, I'm unaware if they're all 'going home' as such as I don't think they all come from the same resorts.

HCPs off on jollies this month, funded by the NHS, during the winter crisis (so much for 'all hands on deck'):

500 doctors: 4 night trip to Val d’Isere; 80 urologists off to Corvara at same time.
Dozens more off to lecture on ‘expedition medicine’ in Chamonix & even more off to Zurs.

Obvs not just limiting their travels to Europe! Royal College of Physicians is taking a cohort to Burma, for a ‘communications skills’ course.

order-order.com/2018/01/10/thousands-doctors-ski-trips-winter-crisis/

@AgnesSkinner

It's a good speech. Thanks for sharing. I don't think I had read it.

I don't agree with all of it - eg I don't like the idea of fiscal integration- but most of it. It's logical, coherent and consistent with what the EU is about.

Nothing he says is really new but it's all in one place.

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

Cut the crap.

NHS has 40,000 nurse vacancies. Unemployment in the UK is super low.

Where the f*ck do you think they are supposed to come from if many feel unwelcome and want to go home or are no longer coming here because you lot tell them not to?