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Westministenders: Happy Xmas (War is Over) - if only

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 14:00

When is lying not lying. When you can get enough of your mates to agree it is not lying.

And so we have David Davis, who has made two statements to parliament which deliberately contradict each other and must constitute some sort of lie to parliament at some point however you cut it.

Will the Speaker risk the wrath of his party to uphold democratic values? We watch carefully.

Davis also reveals and exposes May too though. May one way or another is complicit in Davis’s lie, either through not doing her job in reading the reports or by protecting Davis when she knew the reports did not exist. This is gross misconduct in her inability to ensure her staff do their bloody jobs. All so she can keep her own job.

This is where whistleblowers in other institutions pop up.

It has also become apparent that May has not had THE conversation with the Cabinet over what shape Brexit should take. After 18months.
Why not? Is she incapable of consensus building or is she just incompetent?

And then we have the DUP seemingly not being properly being involved in the wording of the all important document.

Vote Leave’s Oliver Norgrove is perfectly right in saying that Hard Brexit is all but dead. Don’t let that make you feel happier. Hard Brexiteers know that there only option now, is No Deal and that’s what they will try and pursue.

There is no deal until everything is settled. Right now, nothing is settled, not even what the UK want out of Brexit, never mind the EU position.

May might well have blown the only opportunity for a deal too, because of her failure over NI and the DUP. Where does she go from here? The idea that she will stand up to anyone, is ludicrous given her track record.

We might all wish we could John Lennon's song was apt when it comes to this Christmas and Brexit, it seems the war for our future post Brexit, it seems it is only just starting.

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 18:50

Bruno Waterfield‏*@BrunoBrussels*
Juncker is not in building so perhaps principals do not need to meet face to face

Deal or No Deal?

What do we reckon?

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 18:53

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
In all excitement tho...remember No 10 v unlikely to rush back to Brussels without having DUP support nailed on, signed up, written in indelible ink

I'm guessing that means, what's expression does Arlene have on her face right now?

Carl Dinnen‏ @carldinnen
Downing St source; "We do not have a deal."

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Peregrina · 07/12/2017 18:54

I haven't a clue what is happening. If there is a deal, does it mean that May has at long last faced down her headbanging right wing, and the DUP? Or does it mean that they get their way?

I thought the deal was supposed to have been agreed three days ago.....

RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 18:57

Carl Dinnen‏ @carldinnen
There seems to be positive briefing coming out of Brussels. London and Belfast playing things down.

Oh Hokey Cokey Cokey.
Oh Hokey Cokey Cokey.
Oh Hokey Cokey Cokey.
Knees bend arms stretch rah rah rah.

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 19:00

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
Before we go bonkers this seems to be situation -
1. a potential solution been worked up + looked at favourably in London, Brussels + Dublin
2. EU + Dublin sound positive about it
3. UK govt believes there is progress but it isn't over
4. DUP hasn't yet signed off #noeurostaryet

Or should it be:
Come on Arlene, oh I swear what he means
At this moment, you mean everything

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 19:01

Tony Connelly‏ @tconnellyRTE
Senior EU source says a number of phone calls have taken place between Theresa May and Leo Varadkar @campaignforleo this evening. A second call took place between Mrs May and @JunckerEU around 19hr Brussels time.

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woman11017 · 07/12/2017 19:02

We could join Ireland and the DUP could have the isle of man?

woman11017 · 07/12/2017 19:12

@Independent
Britain must stay in European Court of Human Rights if it wants a trade deal, Brussels to insist Grin

woman11017 · 07/12/2017 19:40

@faisalislam
Juncker has phoned PM and Varadkar - “talks thru night”Faisal Islam added,

@MargSchinas
.@JunckerEU was on the phone with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and then with @theresa_may. We are making progress but not yet fully there. Talks are continuing throughout the night. Early morning meeting possible with press/point thereafter. Tonight more than ever, stay tuned, gsms on.

Orange people don't blink, Teresa.

RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 19:40

Margaritis Schinas‏ @MargSchinas
@JunckerEU was on the phone with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and then with @theresa_may. We are making progress but not yet fully there. Talks are continuing throughout the night. Early morning meeting possible with press/point thereafter. Tonight more than ever, stay tuned, gsms on.

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 19:45

Peter Foster‏ @pmdfoster
Now told that MEPS Brexit group scheduled to meet 0830

Expectations rising. Some fear that Tusk statement might have been a tad previous.

For obvious reasons, everyone proceeding with absolute caution.

Rightly.

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 19:49

Bruno Waterfield‏*@BrunoBrussels*
6am - I reckon, text out at 8

(I guess that's EU time).

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frumpety · 07/12/2017 19:54

Shitting Norah , nobody was hoping that wool would be the saving of the UK post Brexit surely ? it is worth four fifths of fuck all , even with all the bits of shit picked off Grin

frumpety · 07/12/2017 20:00

For clarity that is wool sourced from all areas of the UK Wink

QuentinSummers · 07/12/2017 20:15

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OlennasWimple · 07/12/2017 20:15

Thanks again RTB - hope you and Little Red are recovering well

prettybird - those mince pies look awesome... Baking just is better in lbs and ozs, even when no eggs are involved. I don't know why either, but it just is

RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 20:22

Thank you everyone for the get wells. Little Red seems to be back to bouncing. This is a mixed blessing considering how I feel!

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RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 20:59

Carl Dinnen‏ @carldinnen
Despite everyone insisting there is no deal there has been a flurry of activity on Brexit tonight. Feels like things are closer to resolution.

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
“Caution. We are still working.”

  • DUP Source
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Basseting · 07/12/2017 21:24

I don't know if it will be better if they DO reach an agreement or don't and it all goes belly up and has to be rethought completely, tbh.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/12/2017 21:31

Jo Maugham QC
@JolyonMaugham
Copies of our written case against HMT and DExEU and witness statements from @MollyMEP, me, @AlasdairMSmith, Swati Dhingra, and Maurice Frankel can be found here protect-eu.mimecast.com/s/NVa2BUWkEpHo

woman11017 · 07/12/2017 21:38

A happy ending.
bit.ly/2B5PimE

Peregrina · 07/12/2017 21:45

Baking just is better in lbs and ozs

Nope, metric weights just fine, and I'm in my mid sixties, so if I can manage it, those youngsters posting here can certainly do so. But no matter, if we have to throw in our lot and be the 51st state of America it will be cups... Ugh. Fine for dry goods like flour and sugar, but fats and things?

pointythings · 07/12/2017 21:50

I bake in metric. But then I was brought up in metric. I can do cups too because H is American and I have a lot of his mum's recipes in my head.

For fats and things I have a cups to metric converter.

I need to bake but this weekend is looking fully booked. Not mince pies though, I don't really like them. I was thinking gluten free oatmeal raisin cookies (yes, you can make soft chewy gluten free cookies).

RedToothBrush · 07/12/2017 21:51

Laura Kuenssberg @ bbclaurak
DUP still urging caution, saying deal isn't done their teams are 'still working' .........

8mins ago.

What was that quote about no running commentary and Brexit?

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prettybird · 07/12/2017 21:52

Most baking I do in metric - it's just mum's pastry and mum's pavlova I do in lb and oz! Grin .....and I do also sometimes use cups and sticks - depending on which of mum's old recipes I'm using (and even sometimes new recipes I find). Confused

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