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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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howabout · 13/11/2017 14:35

Pretty sure Dr Fox is well aware of the detail despite abridged reporting for political ends at both ends of the debate.

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-pledges-to-help-improve-access-to-uk-markets-for-worlds-poorest-countries-post-brexit

If "Everything but Arms" were sufficient then I find it difficult to believe that Germany would be the most economically viable place to roast and export coffee from.

LurkingHusband · 13/11/2017 14:38

Hammond eyes stamp duty cut to help first-time buyers

Not building more houses ?

everything moves in cycles. Up, down. Left right. See-saw, Majory Daw.

Anyone who doesn't own their own home, voting Tory, has to be a bit dim.

Meanwhile, hopefully in some balance, MrsLH and I do own our own home. And are more likely to go to Mars than vote Tory.

Peregrina · 13/11/2017 14:40

I gather that the large housebuilding firms are sitting on huge landbanks. They need to be forced to release these, and be made to build more first and second time buyer homes.

LurkingHusband · 13/11/2017 14:41

government-pledges-to-help-improve-access-to-uk-markets-for-worlds-poorest-countries-post-brexit

So Brexit involves helping the worlds poor at the expense of the UK poor ?

What's UKIPs take on that ? Much as I detest them, and the damage they have done, they may still have some use if they can mobilise that nasty racist sentiment against the way Brexit is starting to shape up.

howabout · 13/11/2017 14:48

John Redwood also being quoted out of context.
johnredwoodsdiary.com/
"What we want instead is a budget that provides more incentives to save, to invest, to produce, to build homes. We need a budget that rediscovers the truth that lower tax rates and faster growth bring in more revenue. At a time when the Republicans are planning major tax cuts it would be a bad idea to be still putting taxes up to make us less competitive and to encourage people and companies with
enterprise to move abroad."

He's making the anti-austerity post Brexit case in the face of the PH safety first Bregret mantra.

Motheroffourdragons · 13/11/2017 14:54

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HashiAsLarry · 13/11/2017 15:06

The offending Redwood article
www.ft.com/content/2c68763c-bd85-11e7-823b-ed31693349d3
Time to look further afield as UK economy hits the brakes

BiglyBadgers · 13/11/2017 15:09

But dragons did you know that rich people not paying any taxes magically makes us all rich, so just shut up and pay your taxes and trust that the wealthy will send you some crumbs in the post any day now.

Motheroffourdragons · 13/11/2017 15:16

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Tanith · 13/11/2017 15:24

“Why the Wokingham electorate returned Redwood puzzled me, because it voted strongly for Remain.”

It’s because so many in Wokingham will vote for anything in a blue rosette, even a slimy, two-faced toad despised by many in his own party.

Gove is another such fortunately placed MP.

RedToothBrush · 13/11/2017 15:41

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
Foreign Sec has made it back to Commons for Question about Zaghari Radcliffe
Johnson - 'the British govt has no doubt that she was on holiday' - 'my remarks should have been clearer'
Johnson ' I apologise ..if I have inadvertently caused them anguish'
Johnson going thro actions taken by govt to try to get Zaghari Radcliffe's released - claims govt has taken 'every opportunity' to raise the case
Johnson 'I shall travel to Iran myself later this year to review the full state of our relations and to drive home the state of feelings about this case'
So that was a little nearer to a full apology from Boris Johnson - but still the 'if' I have caused anguish, I'm sorry...

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LurkingHusband · 13/11/2017 15:41

It’s because so many in Wokingham will vote for anything in a blue rosette

It's unfair to single out the good burghers of Wokingham. Almost all voters use rosettes as a proxy for critical thinking.

Or used to ?

In nothing else, the current situation highlights how sometimes dog-whistle politics just doesn't work for some ... in this case Remainers who have seen their taken-for-granted-vote being used against their interests.

It's so fucking simple, you could put it on a playing card size reminder ...

PEOPLE POLITICIANS CARE ABOUT

Undecided/floating voters
Party faithful voters
Other party faithful voters
(there isn't enough space in this margin to post the proof, but ...)
non-voters

People should hand these out at polling stations.

Peregrina · 13/11/2017 15:56

Nice try, howabout but John Redwood's remarks as highlighted in the FT article were perfectly clear - as were his actions, taken in July 2016. Given that he conveniently omitted to mention the Brexit vote in that article; that he is still an enthusiastic supporter of a hard-Brexit, having already moved money elsewhere, why on earth should anyone think that he is telling the whole truth on his web page?

The man was known as a nasty piece of work 40 years ago as an Oxfordshire County Councillor and age has not improved him.

howabout · 13/11/2017 16:04

Long since given up bothering with the salmon coloured rag. Not about to pay for clicks when I can read the horse's mouth for free.

Cailleach1 · 13/11/2017 16:05

the ft article is behind a paywall.

this two page article isn't

www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2017/11/12/british-lawmaker-advises-investors-to-take-their-money-out-of-the-uk/#53538b544c1e

In an op-ed in the Financial Times, the Chief Global Strategist for Charles Stanley, John Redwood, advises investors to remove their money from the United Kingdom. “Time to look further afield as the UK economy hits the brakes”, says his headline.
..........

So the Rt. Hon. John Redwood MP advocated a course of action by the UK government that he knows would seriously damage the UK economy. This is not the only time he has advocated such a course of action: he is a prominent advocate of "hard Brexit", insisting that anything less is not really Brexit.

And to protect his job as an investment manager, he warned his wealthy clients to get their money out before the disaster hits.

To me, this smacks of disaster capitalism. Engineer a crash while ensuring your own interests are protected, then clean up when it hits.

This is despicable behaviour by a lawmaker. The Rt. Hon. John Redwood MP is putting his own interests above those he represents. He is unfit to hold office. He should resign.

if he didn't warn/advise people to get their dosh out, that should be cleared up. he will make it known in his many pro hard brexit media appearances that it was not his advice and was erroneously attributed to him. i'd imagine he would definitely take them to court for libel. him being such a patriot an' all.

Cailleach1 · 13/11/2017 16:07

more like horses ass.

LurkingHusband · 13/11/2017 16:08

i'd imagine he would definitely take them to court for libel. him being such a patriot an' all.

Interesting suggestion. I bet the courts will be leaned upon frown on crowdfunding tin advance to defend a libel action. If not, I've a fiver I'd spare.

AgnesSkinner · 13/11/2017 16:16

It’s an op ed piece - doesn’t that mean it is straight from the horse’s mouth, ie Redwood has to approve it before publication?

So rest assured that we will always show you a final version and, if we cannot agree, you can withdraw your piece.

amp.ft.com/content/b927be8a-198a-11e5-8201-cbdb03d71480

Cailleach1 · 13/11/2017 16:16

yes, LH. Scurrilous to suggest the honourable gentleman would such a thing. his reputation should be vindicated in as public manner as these slurs. he wouldn't wish otherwise, i'm sure.

howabout · 13/11/2017 16:19

Yep JR is arguing that if PH pursues a contractionary policy against a backdrop of expansionary policy in the EU and the US then the UK will find itself missing out on International investment and Global expansion and squandering opportunity with or without Brexit.

Contrary to the contorted OpEd it is not him proposing hitting the brakes but rather warning of the consequences if PH does. See also Sajid Javid, James Cleverly, Tim Montgomerie et al all advocating for spending and investment in housing and infrastructure.

Cailleach1 · 13/11/2017 16:20

oh my lord. they made it up and didn't show it to him. in that case i would be surprised if he didn't publicly withdraw it and say it is baloney.

howabout · 13/11/2017 16:26

I tend to read more than headlines which perhaps explains my differing interpretation of what was said, but I'm still not clicking on the entire article to check, given I have read his self edited blog on the same subject.

RedToothBrush · 13/11/2017 16:28

Kevin Schofield‏ @PolhomeEditor
BREAKING: MPs to be given the right to vote down final Brexit deal. Big concession by David Davis.

Only cos the government knew they were going to be defeated on a vote about the same thing.

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howabout · 13/11/2017 16:30

Very cathartic to dip into JR's twitter feed also even if I do run the echo chamber risk.

As you were. Brew

Cailleach1 · 13/11/2017 16:30

www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/15643929.Brexiteer_MP_urges_investors_to_ditch_the_UK_in_favour_of_the_European_Central_Bank/

that story is being carried on. i wonder when he will instruct FT to publish a statement saying it was falsely attributed to him?

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