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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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OliviaD68 · 20/11/2017 20:41

@BigChocFrenzy

... and this is not obvious to the average person?

Even when £ stabilises after falling, unless we stay in SM/CU, we must add some 20 to 25% for some foodstuffs to clear customs as well - time, certification and admin costs.

Holliewantstobehot · 20/11/2017 21:14

I expect the EMA staff will eventually decide to move to Amsterdam as the economic effect of brexit takes hold. The brain drain begins.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 21:15

Should I be getting concerned at this?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-icj-judges-none-first-time-history-international-court-justice-withdraw-candidate-a8066336.html?amp
Britain to have no judges on International Court of Justice for first time ever after withdrawing candidate

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Holliewantstobehot · 20/11/2017 21:24

This jumped out at me from Barniers speech:

In 2012, the UK Prime Minister published a table to show his strong support of the Single Market and incidentally his support for the Commissioner in charge of the Single Market.
It shows that, in 2050, there will be no European countries left in the G8. But by remaining together, the 27 will stay, in the long term, in the top 5.

So that leaves post Brexit UK.........

Mightybanhammer · 20/11/2017 21:45

olivia unless we stay in customs union, everything, not just foodstuffs will be affected. Food is the least of it.

PattyPenguin · 20/11/2017 21:49

Are the bookies taking bets on what year the UK will drop out of the G8 (or G7)?

OliviaD68 · 20/11/2017 21:54

@Mightybanhammer

Yes. Agree. Sorry if I gave the impression it was just food. All goods and it seems services now difficult. At least financial.

Tariffs. Origin. Certification. Testing.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 21:58

Jessica Elgot @ JessicaEglot
Pro-remain Labour MPs up in arms tonight that frontbench has whipped its MPs to vote against @IanMurrayMP amendment on customs union and voted with Tories
18 Labour MPs voted with Tories against the amendment which would keep option of customs union. Mostly frontbenchers and pro-Brexit Lab MPs.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/11/2017 21:58

Robert Peston‏Verified account
@Peston

Labour Remain MPs livid that Labour frontbench whipped MPs to vote with government on amendment to Customs Bill that would have kept open option of UK remaining in EU single market and customs union

Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
lalalonglegs · 20/11/2017 22:11

WTF is Labour leadership playing at? Just when I thought they were getting the hang of this opposing lark Angry.

IrenetheQuaint · 20/11/2017 22:19

Just read this. I know John Crace is exaggerating slightly for effect but...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/20/civil-servants-bordering-on-clueless-over-brexit

PattyPenguin · 20/11/2017 22:26

Do you know, I think I should overeat for the next 18 months so that I have weight I can afford to lose when TSHTF.

And stockpile vitamin tablets. (Yes, I've read The Martian.)

I'm only half joking.

ElenaGreco123 · 20/11/2017 22:41

Has anyone else seen Labour The Summer that changed everything on BBC2?
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09gtywy
The documentary was following around anti-Corbyn MPs in the run up to June 8th. My take:

  1. Labour women are tough, plain-speaking, extremely hard-working, simply the best.
  2. Everyone in Stephen Kinnock's family is a better politician than him. Must be tough.
  3. I still do not get the Corbyn love in.
RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 22:43

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*
Today: a weak German government/Merkel will help Brexit
10 weeks ago: a strong German Government/Merkel will help Brexit

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ElenaGreco123 · 20/11/2017 22:49

Why is Labour MPs voting against the customs union amendment not news in the Guardian? Argh!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/11/2017 22:56

Anna Soubry MP
@Anna_Soubry
I was one of 76 MPs who voted for our continuing membership of the Customs Union after we leave the EU.

Cllr Tom Bewick
Cllr Tom Bewick
@Lab_Westbourne
Replying to @Anna_Soubry
You should be ashamed of yourself for betraying the will of your constituents and the will of the British people. You will be booted out at the next General Election. Hopefully.

Anna Soubry MP
@Anna_Soubry
From a Labour Councillor !

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 23:09

Nadine Dorries‏*@NadineDorries*
I continue to be totally amazed by people who are politically aware and yet, have failed to acknowledge or even begin to understand that Corbyn is the biggest #Brexiteer of all

Nadine Dorries is right.

There I said it. I agree with Nadine Fucking Dorries.

cries

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Peregrina · 20/11/2017 23:10

You should be ashamed of yourself for betraying the will of your constituents

The same applies to John Redwood as far as betraying the will of his constituents is concerned - will Cllr Bewick be telling him to be ashamed of himself?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/11/2017 23:19

It’s worse than that peregrina

GDH
@Walmley1
Replying to @LabWestbourne and @AnnaSoubry
How did the electorate in Brighton vote cllr Tom Bewick?

Cllr Tom Bewick
@Lab_Westbourne
They voted Remain and here’s my take on it

Brighton usually loves a revolution – so why did my anti-establishment city not vote for Brexit?

brexitcentral.com/brighton-usually-loves-revolution-anti-establishment-city-not-vote-brexit/

LurkingHusband · 20/11/2017 23:26

It's a sad day. Even if Brexit were to be cancelled, those agencies will be gone

With the UK footing the bill ...

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 23:28

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-backs-tory-rebels-brexit-bill-amendment-to-protect-human-rights_uk_5a12ffe5e4b0bfa88c1bd4e3
Labour Backs Tory Rebel's Brexit Bill Amendment To Protect Human Rights
Dominic Grieve wants 'fundamental rights' enshrined in UK law.

Thank fuck for Dominic Grieve.

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Mistigri · 21/11/2017 06:28

It's a scandal that given the calibre of the current cabinet a man of Dominic Grieve's political experience, legal expertise and overall competence is not in government.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/11/2017 06:50

This isn’t Brexit related (well it might eventually be, given how things are going) but net neutrality was discussed somewhere on here and there’s been even more of a push to overturn it in the US

FCC plans total repeal of net neutrality rules
www.politico.com/story/2017/11/20/net-neutrality-repeal-fcc-251824

Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai will reveal plans to his fellow commissioners on Tuesday to fully dismantle the agency's Obama-era net neutrality regulations, people familiar with the plans said, in a major victory for the telecom industry in the long-running policy debate.

The commission will vote on the proposal in December, some seven months after it laid the groundwork for scuttling the rules that require internet service providers like Comcast or AT&T to treat web traffic equally.

President Donald Trump-appointed Pai’s plan would jettison rules that prohibit internet service providers from blocking or slowing web traffic or creating so-called paid internet fast lanes, the people familiar with the changes said.

Pai also will follow through on his plans to scrap the legal foundation that the FCC’s old Democratic majority adopted in 2015 to tighten federal oversight of internet service providers, a move he contends has deterred the industry from investing in broadband networks. Internet providers have feared that legal foundation, if left in place, could set the stage for possible government price regulation of internet service.

The chairman’s approach, to be voted on at the FCC’s Dec. 14 meeting, would also get rid of the so-called general conduct standard, which gives the FCC authority to police behavior by internet service providers it deems unreasonable.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 21/11/2017 07:08

Barely a peep from the brexit supporting press about loss of EMA and EBA. Half the country oblivious to this.

ElenaGreco123 · 21/11/2017 07:31

Well, they never knew we had those agencies. Because ignorance is a bliss. [cries, too]

I have started teaching DS history in a more formalised way. He will never hear about half the stuff in school.