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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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BigChocFrenzy · 20/11/2017 16:40

Full text of Barnier's speech:

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-releaseSPEECH-17-47655_en.htm

mrsreynolds · 20/11/2017 16:40

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RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 16:53

Sam Coates Times‏ @SamCoatesTimes
Gulp: Germany's Angela Merkel prefers fresh elections over minority government

www.dw.com/en/germanys-angela-merkel-prefers-fresh-elections-over-minority-government/a-41454523

Sam Coates Times‏ @SamCoatesTimes
Labour says George Freeman has resigned from his No10 policy role. Just finding out what George Freeman says.

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/11/george-freeman-why-we-need-a-new-chairman-and-team-at-cchq-to-lead-a-radical-programme-of-conservative-renewal.html
George Freeman: We need a new Chairman and team at CCHQ to lead a radical programme of Conservative renewal

That’s why I launched theBig Tent Ideas Festivaland theCapital Ideas Foundationto champion the enterprise, innovation and new approaches we need to tackle the most intractable problems defeating traditional Whitehall policy makers.And it’s why I’ve stood down as Chair of the Prime Minister’s Policy Board in Number Ten, to focus on my role as Chair of theConservative Policy Forum.We need a strong Conservative forum and voice – outside of, but heard inside, Government.

This is the same George Freeman who said this last week:

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RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 16:53

Sorry posted too soon:

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RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 16:57

George Freeman MP‏ @Freeman_George
I think it will be 25 or more if Ministers at @DExEUgov dont listen. Many of us unhappy with both the idea that Parliament might be bounced into a #NoChoice Brexit outcome, and the vilification of scrutiny & dissent.

and was subject of this from the Daily Mail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5093367/George-Freeman-lashes-Government.html
May's policy chief George Freeman lashes her Government for making the Tories the 'party of nostalgia, hard Brexit and lazy privilege'
Freeman chairs Theresa May's policy board and wrote to the PM in September
He said the party must learn the lessons of its setbacks at the June 8 elections
The MP warned May the Tory party was locked in a battle of ideas with Labour

He has responded to the Labour claim saying:
George Freeman MP‏ @Freeman_George
Labour troublemaking. I agreed with No10 in July to review the role of the Policy Board after Conference, and last week we agreed to wind up the Board in No10 and focus on my work as Chair of @ConservativePF on Party Renewal #ToryRenewal.

But I suspect resigning could also let him rebel over the Repel Bill.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/11/2017 16:59

For those like me that need it spelled out:

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
Gosh. This is really quite significant. New investigation into Vote Leave, Darren Grimes & Veterans for Britain's spending. This is a major new development.

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
EXPLAINER: bedrock of our electoral laws is to control £££ in our elections. In a leaked memo, Vote Leave boasted it had found a 'loophole' to funnel money through the 'Vote Leave family'. It's this "funnelling" that's now being investigated.

BlueEyeshadow · 20/11/2017 16:59

I'll believe that when I see it. He (Freeman) seems relatively decent for a Tory, but he's fundamentally a loyalist and about the only member left of Team Treeza.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/11/2017 17:09

Olivia EEA/EFTA vs EU - table below, plus my quick recollection:

Advantages EFTA

  • "sovereignty": EFTA states only have to adopt about 20% of the EU rules, iirc from R North
  • FOM applies. BUT an EFTA state can activate Article 112 to halt FOM if it is causing a serious problem to them
  • EEA / EFTA states belong to the Single Market which makes trade flow nearly frictionless and - if the state also belongs to the EU Customs Union - trade flow is then as frictionless as for an EU member. So, UK trade would not be hit noticeably.
  • EFTA states share many trade deals - the UK could fairly easily be brought into these
  • An EFTA state can also negotiate its own bilateral trade deals with countries outside the EEA
  • EFTA states share agencies with the EU - saves costs - and international agreements with the world, e.g. flying rights, type approvals - saves a stop in Uk trade !
  • EFTA is not subject to the ECJ, but has its own EFTA court. On matters relating to the EU, judges from both courts are involved.
  • Lower payments to the EU, plus more choice aout where they go, e.g. Norway chooses to support the poorer East EU countries

Disadvantages EFTA

  • EFTA states have in effect to adopt EU rules - to maintain trade access - without being able to vote on them In practice, I think they are consukted by the EU
  • EFTA has less clout to negotiate trade deals, being so much smaller than the EU However, this also brings it more flexibility and speed, only having to agree among 4 members instead of 27/28
Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
OliviaD68 · 20/11/2017 17:17

@BigChocFrenzy

I see CAP is excluded. I guess UK farmers won't be happy. Rest seems ok.

Given Maybot has excluded it as an option what chances are there that this Brexit changes its mind?

HashiAsLarry · 20/11/2017 17:22

Amsterdam for the EMA

lonelyplanetmum · 20/11/2017 17:30

Guess Amsterdam will ease the transition - staff can work Mon-Fri for a few months whilst they decide whether to relocate ..

Melassa · 20/11/2017 17:57

So sad that Milan didn't get the EMA. And to lose out in the toss of a coin. A bit like losing the World Cup on penalties. SadSadSad

lalalonglegs · 20/11/2017 18:14

English is far more widely-spoken in Amsterdam and, imo, Amsterdam is a much easier city to set up shop in - I was quite surprised Milan got so close, tbh (I know it quite well as my family are from nearby). Didn't Berlusconi go to Brussels to lobby for the Milan move? I don't think that will have done the Italian vote any favours Hmm.

lonelyplanetmum · 20/11/2017 18:28

Amsterdam is benefitting hugely from our small mindedness in the Education sector too.
I know two families one French/ Italian and one Dutch/ French. They were both planning to send their children to school and Uni in the U.K. but have chosen Amsterdam for the Uni part. Both say they know other families who are plumping for Amsterdam as well.

lalalonglegs · 20/11/2017 18:34

My 13yo daughter is weirdly fixated on going to university in the Netherlands - although she fancies Groningen rather than Amsterdam Confused. I'm not sure why she's so set on it but I've no objections.

Melassa · 20/11/2017 18:36

Luckily for us I suspect no one let Berlusconi anywhere near Merkel, plus it wasn't up to her anyway, but don't tell him that. He will be certain it was down to his charms.

Milan has got a LOT better with English speaking, although obviously not at the level of the Dutch, but I remember in the 90s very few people outside the Quadrilatero della Moda being able to speak any languages, yet now everywhere I go if I'm with my DD and we're speaking English we always get shop assistants and even lately train guards addressing us in decent English. I also have no problem hiring staff with passable English and not all are graduates.

Although I did think the Pirellone odd as a choice of location to be honest, but then I remember the plane incident.

lonelyplanetmum · 20/11/2017 18:39

One of my friends children has already started in Amsterdam and is loving it. The other one has a year off.

Paris for the EBA btw.

Melassa · 20/11/2017 18:46

My DD will also be going to university in continental Europe. Quite apart from anything else English universities are now hugely overpriced. She's got her eye on Berlin or Paris but still has a way to go yet.

Mightybanhammer · 20/11/2017 19:04

Well what a very grim day. The great brexodus has started.
EMA to Amsterdam
EBA to Paris
Goldman Sachs relocating to Paris and Frankfurt
Freight companies warn of customs chaos ( Guardian) plus lack of lorry drivers as many are eu nationals
Aerospace firms warn of devastation to business( Guardian)
Barnier, quite rightly, reminds uk thems the rules
And our politicians are still pretending we can have a pickandmixitbrexit.
No. No we can't.
What must our European friends be thinking of us. What utter folly.

OliviaD68 · 20/11/2017 19:07

@Mightybanhammer

And the govt was not able to provide a gtee to the Lords of no disruption to flights ...

Lords on flights

OliviaD68 · 20/11/2017 19:08

But ... according to the honourable Caroline, we have saved 42 jobs in an ice skating rink in Essex ...

GhostofFrankGrimes · 20/11/2017 19:12

as this self inflicted disaster unfolds its always worth having alook through the internet archives.

pharmaphorum.com/news/uk-keeping-european-medicines-agency/#

Melassa · 20/11/2017 19:12

Olivia those are 42 jobs not going to Paris or Amsterdam though. Victory!

Mightybanhammer · 20/11/2017 19:15

If only our mainstream media journalists were as confident enough of their facts as the noble Lord- enough to penetrate and expose the falsehoods being offered up by Brexit politicians.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/11/2017 19:16

Deliberate lies form Brexiter MPs
Nigel Evans MP, like some other Brexiters, is using the buzzword "grandfathering" for trade deals.
However, he at least knows this is impossible, because civil servants have told him so, as JDD posted btl on

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86675

"He [Nigel Evans] knows better, they cannot be grandfathered as ALL rely on EU bodies which we wont be members of
Evans has had this explained to him on more than 6 occasions"

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