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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 14:13

Tom Nuttall‏ @tom_nuttall
End of Barnier talk. Two important points:

- TF50 fully in line with Irish demands for tangible commitments from UK in avoiding hard border

- If UK seeks deal that undermines level playing field - state aid, enviro rules etc - it may undermine chances of ratification

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5100021/City-firms-NOT-special-Brexit-deal-Barnier-says.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK
Britain will NOT get an 'ambitious' trade deal unless it obeys EU regulations, warns Barnier as he RULES OUT City firms being able to trade freely in the bloc after Brexit
Michel Barnier signalled a tough line on trade as negotiations enter crucial phase
EU chief negotiator insisted that financial firms will lose 'passporting rights'
Warned that Brussels will not allow UK to diverge far from the bloc's rules

Well whats the point of the bloc if you don't follow its rules???

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Peregrina · 20/11/2017 14:18

Well whats the point of the bloc if you don't follow its rules???

We know our Leaver friends will be whining that the EU is being mean to us. So predictable.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 14:22

Chris Cook‏ @xtophercook
A brief reminder that this Brexit sub-committee meeting today does not include the NI secretary.

At the risk of being a man posting about game theory on twitter, HMG's behaviour is basically consistent with their having belief that Ireland will take any deal over no deal.

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HashiAsLarry · 20/11/2017 14:32

Because Ireland is old news again now, sorry to post this. But this was in the Irish independent yesterday.
Twitter link to pictured article

HashiAsLarry · 20/11/2017 14:52

@ChukaUmunna
BREAKING: The Brexit Minister Lord Callanan has just given a personal statement in the House of Lords to correct himself on the revocability of Art 50 having wrongly claimed in the Lords last week that the UK could not legally revoke Art 50 1/2

Part 2 to come presumably

lalalonglegs · 20/11/2017 14:57

Thanks for linking, Hashi. The UK's whole "position" (and that of its cheerleaders) just becomes more untenable by the day. I get up every morning wondering what fresh humiliation Brexit will bring forth upon us.

OliviaD68 · 20/11/2017 15:05

@lalalonglegs

“You lost. Get over it.”

“Sore loser.”

“Remoaner.”

“There are no downsides to Brexit.”

“The EU is being mean and treating us unfairly. I’m glad we are leaving.”

Have I missed any? Agree it’s getting intolerable. Cringeworthy stuff

lalalonglegs · 20/11/2017 15:23

Actually, Olivia, those are mere irritants Grin. What I find humiliating is the perception, in Ireland, for example, as per Hashi's article, that everyone in the UK is as useless and aggressive as those negotiating Brexit and those supporting them. The UK has become shorthand for entitled basket case as far as I can see and every time a Brexiteer points their finger at yet another (perfectly predictable) obstacle and wails, "'It's not fair", the perception is reinforced. And it's not just that we look incompetent and entitled, the attitude is getting more and more aggressive and hostile. It's just atrocious and embarrassing (and counter-productive).

OliviaD68 · 20/11/2017 15:30

@lalalonglegs

Agree to some extent.

What I think is good to reverse Brexit is the extreme incompetence. Imagine for a moment that competent people were running the process and developing policy then some form of Brexit may actually happen.

As it is I just don’t see it. So it’s a temporary period of looking foolish which everyone knows is due to a few numpties in Govt and Westminster. Stability and respectability will return once these fools are out.

LurkingHusband · 20/11/2017 15:31

What I find humiliating is the perception, in Ireland, for example, as per Hashi's article, that everyone in the UK is as useless and aggressive as those negotiating Brexit and those supporting them.

With an added dose of bitter irony that a lot of rabid Brexiteers are probably the least likely to leave the UK and find out what an arse they are making of themselves - and the UK - abroad.

LurkingHusband · 20/11/2017 15:34

As it is I just don’t see it. So it’s a temporary period of looking foolish which everyone knows is due to a few numpties in Govt and Westminster. Stability and respectability will return once these fools are out.

It seems to me that those in power are trying to use their incompetence as a reason to not be removed. Like a bunch of cowboy builders insisting they can fix the mess they made.

(OT, but I really don't agree with UK consumer law requiring the original fuck-up merchants being accorded an opportunity to further fuck up your home before you can cut them off and sue ....)

mrsreynolds · 20/11/2017 15:48

Hashi...
Why make that statement today I wonder?

LurkingHusband · 20/11/2017 15:54

Why make that statement today I wonder?

Maybe the reluctance of 72% of the staff to move (who may or may not be able to work in the EU after Brexit) means they're keen to recruit/replace early ?

Even if Brexit were reversed today, that process won't be. So we're starting to rack up tangible costs of Brexit. Bearing in mind the UK is paying for the move anyway.

OliviaD68 · 20/11/2017 16:00

@LurkingHusband

Brexit is the great government mandated British asset strip.

HashiAsLarry · 20/11/2017 16:06

Last Monday Callanan claimed the Supreme Court in the Miller case ruled Art 50 was not revocable - they did no such thing. The decision to revoke Art 50 is a political decision. If the facts change, the govt is denying people the ability to have an open mind on what happens 2/2

Part 2 of tweet.

Not sure why facts are suddenly important now.

lalalonglegs · 20/11/2017 16:07

Olivia - I agree that it doesn't look as if Brexit can happen mainly because there are too many impossible circles to square but also because of the dullards in charge and I generally take comfort from that. My worry is that the dullards in charge are just stubborn/stupid enough not to recognise whatever it is we are finally offered is better than nothing and we end up accidentally leaving the EU/EFTA/whatever Sad.

OliviaD68 · 20/11/2017 16:10

@lalalonglegs

That is a worry I share. I'm hopeful the adults step in and take the toys away ...

prettybird · 20/11/2017 16:16

Remember the threads that were started shortly after the Referendum discussing the lack of impact? Hmm

The jubilant Brexiteers were a) denying that there was any impact (people were describing how their children had had internships withdrawn, research grants were being cut, small companies who had pan-European research operations were already making people redundant - but this was apparently all apocraphyl and/or catastrophising Hmm) and b) they would crow about the the lack of immediate disastrous effect, saying that this proved that Project Fear had been wrong and ignoring the fact that we hadn't triggered A50 yet, let alone left the EU yet Confused

What mental gymnastics will they use on the impact of the relocation of both the EMA and the EBA? Hmm

  • we didn't need them anyway
  • we can do it ourselves
  • we need to reduce the reliance of London on Financial Services (that one I can agree with - but there needs to be a plan for an alternative income generator)
  • it's the nasty EU's fault for being mean to us
  • they'll not really move - all the workers will commute to the new location

Anything else? Wink

LurkingHusband · 20/11/2017 16:21

Remember the threads that were started shortly after the Referendum discussing the [lack of] impact ?

There are threads (shopping prices, mainly) where people are starting to notice the impact.

I suspect that in the long term, profit margins (or the lack thereof) will lead to smaller pack sizes simply being discontinued, as it's no longer viable to see 100g of something. So only 200g, or 400g (i.e. the more costly option) will be available.

lonelyplanetmum · 20/11/2017 16:29

What mental gymnastics will they use on the impact of the relocation of both the EMA and the EBA?

The mental gymnastics seem to involve happiness relying on the FDA instead.

The loss of both agencies is such an act of self harm. The announcement following the vote is due this afternoon, Dublin dropped out of the running for the EMA I read, so the pharma companies wont be following over there.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/11/2017 16:39

LH I really like your analogy of the cowboy builders. It just fits.

The cowboys builders convinced a naive public that they needed a great big Brexit, to keep up with Jones's across the pond
They promised it would pay for itself
They tore out part of the roof, so it leaks, but they have faffed around for a year without doing anything else
The rain is starting to damage the structure and bits of the house are crumbling
You've lost some ruined furniture that's been in the family for years
They didn't use an architect and they keep squabbling loudly about how to build their Brexit - they can't even decide on its height, or how many sides, or what materials to use
It is obviously now going to cost a bomb, despite their promises - and the house will end up looking like that bomb hit it.
Every now and again, their roofers Bojo, DD and Fox go up on the roof to have a steaming dump there
They didn't realise they needed building approval, but they're hoping the Council will just look the other way
Whatever disaster happens to your house, they won't take responsibility - they'll blame the Council, or their suppliers, or you for being silly enough to choose a Brexit

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2017 16:39

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-donations/electoral-commission-statement-regarding-vote-leave-limited,-mr-darren-grimes-and-veterans-for-britain-limited
Electoral Commission statement regarding Vote Leave Limited, Mr Darren Grimes and Veterans for Britain Limited

Published: 20 Nov 2017

The Electoral Commission has today (20 November 2017) announced it has opened an investigation to establish whether Vote Leave Limited, Mr Darren Grimes and/or Veterans for Britain breached campaign finance rules in relation to spending at the 2016 EU referendum.

The rules around spending by permitted participants at the EU referendum are set out in the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA) and the European Union Referendum Act 2015 (EURA) [see note 1 below].

The opening of this investigation follows a review of previous assessments that the Electoral Commission conducted in February and March 2017 which, at the time, resulted in no further action being taken. Since that time, new information has come to light which, when considered alongside the information obtained previously, has given the Commission reasonable grounds to suspect an offence may have been committed.

The investigation will look at:

whether or not Mr Grimes may have delivered a return that was incorrect in relation to a donation he received from Vote Leave and related campaign spending;

whether or not Veterans for Britain delivered a return that was incorrect in relation to a donation it received from Vote Leave and related campaign spending;

whether or not Vote Leave delivered a return that was incorrect in relation to campaign spending;

whether or not Vote Leave exceeded its spending limit in the referendum.

It is possible that during the course of the investigation, the Commission will identify potential contraventions and/or offences under PPERA other than those set out above.

Vote Leave, Mr Grimes and Veterans for Britain were all permitted participants in the EU referendum.

Bob Posner, the Electoral Commission’s Director of Political Finance and Regulation and Legal Counsel, said:

“There is significant public interest in being satisfied that the facts are known about Vote Leave’s spending on the campaign, particularly as it was a lead campaigner with a greater spending limit than any other campaigners on the ‘leave’ side. Legitimate questions over the funding provided to campaigners risks causing harm to voters’ confidence in the referendum and it is therefore right that we investigate.”

Background here from Buzzfeed last year:
www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/vote-leave-the-canadian-it-company-and-the-ps725000-donation?utm_term=.ht2N7eGAjR#.kr6mMaPL9y

(Strangely, Veterans for Britain are also caught up with concerns about Arron Banks and his campaign firm Better for the Country Limited which he donated to, and then this country gave money to Veterans for Britain...)

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mrsreynolds · 20/11/2017 16:39

Electoral Commission launches inquiry into leave campaign funding

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/20/electoral-commission-launches-inquiry-into-leave-campaign-funding?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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