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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2017 20:38

woman Did you see the lovely photo of Miss Israel and Miss Iraq posing together ?
Ridiculous that this friendly gesture caused so much controversy:

www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42009879

RagingFemininist · 16/11/2017 20:39

putting politics above prosperity is never a smart choice

Hahaha
Is it what the current governemnet is doing atm then? (Internal Tory) politics is never ever put above economic realities...

I think I’ll side with the Dutch MP instead.

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 20:39

last one, but DD is certainly providing lots of Grin tonight.
@bbclaurak
Davis also says he thinks it is 'very unlikely' that there won't be a deal because rational countries and institutions unlikely to let it happen

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 20:46

That's gorgeous, thanks bigchoc. Pretty middle eastern women, being friendly. (Wish the boys would grow the f up).
One of my MIL's favourite musicians was this lady: Ofra Haza a Yemenite Israeli. Extremely popular musician. Her music was a lovely mixture of middle eastern Arab and modern influences.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofra_Haza

mrsreynolds · 16/11/2017 20:57

Ugh
I want to smash his smarmy face in
😡😡😡😡
Ugh

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2017 21:00

DD still has to get it through the commons that the withdrawal bill means no ECJ....

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TheElementsSong · 16/11/2017 21:02

putting politics above prosperity is never a smart choice

That would be funny if it wasn't so bloody tragic.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2017 21:20

Thanks, woman I hadn't heard of her before. She's got a lovely voice, which deserves success.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2017 21:27

(Leaked document) Barnier dashes Britain’s trade hopes

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-trade-barnier-dashes-britains-hopes-of-something-better-than-canada-deal/

Brussels views its free-trade agreement with Canada as the only realistic model for post-Brexit trade with the U.K.,
scotching British Prime Minister Theresa May’s hopes of a far broader bespoke deal.

According to framework documents from EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier
seen by POLITICO,
London’s insistence on quitting the single market and customs union means that a basic EU-Canada-style deal is the only option.

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 21:28

Unfortunately she passed away bigchoc but I have memories of my MIL jigging around the sitting room to her. Smile
DD is getting all introspective now, I though we were called inselaffen though.

Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2017 21:38

I've worked in Germany on and off since the late 80s.]
However, I only heard the insult "Inselaffen'` since Brexit - and only ever from Brits in the UK claiming that is what Germans call us.
Usually Brexiters like DD, wanting to feel insulted
I did ask a German colleague, who said he'd never heard of the word.

Maybe one of those obscure words that any language has, but which few natives know.

Mightybanhammer · 16/11/2017 21:38

Thank you bigchoc Smile

lalalonglegs · 16/11/2017 21:40

This tweet from George Freeman (not currently a mutineer) responding to Anna Soubry

George Freeman MP‏Verified account
@Freeman_George
I think it will be 25 or more if Ministers at @DExEUgov dont listen. Many of us unhappy with both the idea that Parliament might be bounced into a #NoChoice Brexit outcome, and the vilification of scrutiny & dissent.

The backbenchers seem in danger of putting the national good ahead of party Shock.

GaspodeWonderCat · 16/11/2017 21:47

lala
The backbenchers seem in danger of putting the national good ahead of party

OMG the day will never come - but I live in hope that this generation of parliamentarians will remember their duty to country, people and Queen. It is good to dream ...

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 21:50

The backbenchers seem in danger of putting the national good ahead of party
I'm getting stunningly prompt responses from my tory cabinet minister MP, all of a sudden.

Hasenstein · 16/11/2017 22:01

*BigChoc"

Maybe one of those obscure words that any language has, but which few natives know.

German is particularly suited to building words like this. None of my German family or friends have ever used the term, but maybe they're just being pityingly polite to me Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2017 22:01

I've been watching politics since the late 1960s and the current bunch at the top, particularly in the Tory party, are by orders of magnitude
the most ignorant, unscrupulous and unprofessional ever.
Cabinet ministers who would not normally rise above the backbench level
A PM with the talents of a junior minister

However, I hear positive things of the new generation of pols coming up behind (difficult for them to be worse)

  • particularly on the Tory side we should see a major clear-out of old wood & woodworm within 2 years after Brexit.

The new gen may be lumbered with the thankless task of salvaging the wreckage that May & the 3 Dunces made of the United Kingdom PLC

mrsreynolds · 16/11/2017 22:08

You can live in hope bigchoc
I suppose one could posit that, had the Tory front bench been decent parlimentarians and not self serving, chinless, bullingdon club boys, then brexit wouldn't have happened in the first place?....

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 22:09

It's from this article and elsewhere, but does sound too coarse to be real. Hasenstein and BIgChoc. I kind of like it though; reminds me of Jonathon Swift bit in Gullivers Travels where there's a utopia run by horses, and a land of idiotic fools with poor personal hygiene, who look like monkeys and are called yahoos. No offence to simians though.
www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/jun/03/what-german-comedians-think-of-brits-from-bad-to-wurst

Peregrina · 16/11/2017 22:17

However, I hear positive things of the new generation of pols coming up behind (difficult for them to be worse)

Hmm, maybe. Isn't Priti Patel supposedly one of the upcoming generation? She hardly counts as having scruples and being professional.

Peregrina · 16/11/2017 22:19

then brexit wouldn't have happened in the first place?....

I suspect it's been brewing since the Thatcher years in certain parts of the country, and perhaps accelerated by the Bullingdon boys - one of whom is still in power, don't forget.

Lico · 16/11/2017 22:27

Thank you Red
Liam Fox again; I despise this man together with Redwood and Isn Duncan Smith

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-trade-fox/fox-lauds-wto-and-global-trade-deals-in-contrast-with-trump-idUKKBN1DG2YK

BlueEyeshadow · 16/11/2017 22:30

And yet George Freeman also tweeted applauding David Davis for his ironymeter busting remarks Hmm

Hasenstein · 16/11/2017 22:34

Liam Fox again; I despise this man together with Redwood and Isn Duncan Smith

Three names to make you shudder in one sentence. To think our country is in thrall to such a second-rate bunch of failed chancers.

HesterThrale · 16/11/2017 22:35

'Party or country' dilemma? David Lidington must be a bit of a tortured soul if he openly says this, but has to toe the party line:

Justice Secretary David Lidington on Brexit: “It was deeply disappointing and I haven’t changed my view about the stand that I took during the referendum.”

mobile.twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/931160200404520960

And this is what he said last year, quoted in this article from December:

Thornberry repeatedly cited Lidington’s own quotes from the EU referendum campaign, when he warned that a ‘hard’ Brexit withdrawal from the customs union and single market would harm the UK... Lidington - a keen Remainer - had said quitting the customs union would be a “disaster for British Business”, adding that the impact on Northern Ireland would be “chaos and gridlock of cross border supply chains”.

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/does-he-agree-with-himself-emily-thornberry-mocks-tory-mp-over-brexit_uk_584808e3e4b0bba967c1cfa6

Quite funny too, Thornberry was obviously on form that day.

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