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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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RedToothBrush · 16/11/2017 16:21

Kevin Schofield‏ @PolhomeEditor
Justice Secretary David Lidington says the Telegraph’s “mutineers” splash “had the effect of reinforcing solidarity in the Conservative Party”.
Justice Secretary David Lidington on Brexit: “It was deeply disappointing and I haven’t changed my view about the stand that I took during the referendum.”
Justice Secretary David Lidington hints the Government could ditch bid to put Brexit date in the EU Withdrawal Bill. Says ministers “will listen to ideas coming from colleagues across the House”.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/90680/theresa-may-could-ditch-plan-enshrine-brexit-date-law
Theresa May could ditch plan to enshrine Brexit date in law to avoid Commons defeat, Cabinet minister hints

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RedToothBrush · 16/11/2017 16:25

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paradise-papers-italian-journalists-register-company-a8058201.html
Company registered at 10 Downing Street in name of Italian mafia boss
Italian journalists carried out the stunt to illustrate loopholes in British company law

This is....

... well just BRILLIANT!

Describing the stunt as a “provocation”, the newspaper said “there is nothing easier than creating ghost companies that can hide illegal activities or recycle money” under Britain’s liberalised corporate registration system.

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RedToothBrush · 16/11/2017 17:23

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
One of Brexit rebels tells me 'quietly confident that Number 10 is looking for a way out' of date amendment

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lonelyplanetmum · 16/11/2017 17:26

Company registered at 10 Downing Street in name of Italian mafia boss

So little makes me laugh about this selfish, lemming clown coup, but oh this does, it really does Grin.

Melassa · 16/11/2017 17:36

Il Sole 24 Ore is the Italian FT.

Here is the article for anyone who reads Italian

What a clever stunt! It really did make me laugh, especially as Italy is always being portrayed as a dodgy corrupt state yet we do have quite strict money laundering laws.

Mightybanhammer · 16/11/2017 17:51

There is a fabulous post today by R North on his eureferendum blog - sadly I can't link - maybe someone bigchoc perhaps would oblige?

It explains why it is impossible for us both to leave the single market and still continue to trade with them with less regulation.

It also explains the difference between the E U system of regulatory safeguards to protect consumers from harmful products, and the U S one, which is based on suing when things have gone wrong. I know which I would prefer, and apparently most manufacturers do too.

It is the best thing of his I have read so far and deserves much wider airing.

What the gov is proposing is simply impossible. Nothing to do with sentiment or feelings or politics - it is about process.

LurkingHusband · 16/11/2017 18:14

That article is a scream ...

LurkingHusband · 16/11/2017 18:19

It explains why it is impossible for us both to leave the single market and still continue to trade with them with less regulation.

Why is it that I - a lowly code hack with no qualifications in law, politics, or trade - didn't need that explaining to me.

Probably because I've been awake these past 43 years.

TheElementsSong · 16/11/2017 18:23

Probably because I've been awake these past 43 years.

Or because you're a Remoaning UnBeLeaver, lacking in the requisite creative and positive thinking, etc etc.

TheNumberfaker · 16/11/2017 18:26

So glad you said awake rather than woke!

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2017 18:31

Lurking I think you should take a nap. Not getting enough sleep is bad for you.

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mrsreynolds · 16/11/2017 18:41

twitter.com/Independent/status/931229152077860865

Hmmm

TheElementsSong · 16/11/2017 18:53

twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/931184592278704129

Mightybanhammer · 16/11/2017 19:11

What's a very nasty comment lurkinghusband and not in the spirit of this thread.
I am more than aware of r north's background if that is what you were getting at.

Mightybanhammer · 16/11/2017 19:14

Typo. What a.

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 20:03

@bbclaurak
Davis warns German audience not to put EU politics ahead of getting a trade deal - 'putting politics above prosperity is never a smart choice.'

annandale · 16/11/2017 20:12

Well, Davis should know all about that as Chief Leaver woman.

Melassa · 16/11/2017 20:13

Warns ???? Who the hell does DD think he is???

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 20:17

@bbclaurak
Telling for Davis, first Q from German interviewer is, if you want that cooperation, why are you leaving? He's applauded

Does anyone know if this is available to watch live; it sounds like a laugh.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2017 20:22

For Mighty:
R North's blog today, "Brexit: prior approvall^"
www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86671

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2017 20:25

A Dutch MP, specialising in European affairs, was asked about the claim that the EU needs the UK just as much as the UK needs the EU

Reply was "If you want to dream, do it at night," Grin

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41986090

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 20:34

bigchoc it's even more embarrassing when European politicians make good jokes in a second or third language. Blush

I reckon there are lots of tory leavers, now disillusioned, who are following North's very informed blogs as much as we are.

< I went to local tory party club which is advertising for members and got an application form Grin much to the confusion of my sons. Not sure what I'll do with it yet.......>

BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2017 20:34

That twat DD doesn't understand that the EU is putting their economies first.
It's not just politics that made the E27 rule out a special cake deal for the UK; it's in fact mainly economics

Protecting the integrity of the Single Market

  • which Barnier has described as the EU's greatest economic asset -
is the priority of German businesses, which has benn clearly stated many times by German business leaders

The Uk market will be a sad loss, but damaging the Single Market would be disastrous for the economies of the E27

DD should realise this as the UK govt is tearing itself apart over the prospect that the UK will lose the Single Market.

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 20:35

@bbclaurak
Only the 2nd round of applause of the evening comes when interviewer says UK govt looks like it's in chaos

woman11017 · 16/11/2017 20:37

@bbclaurak
Worth noting Davis more explicit about staying in ECJ during transition than May has been previously - she said we would 'start off' with the ECJ during transition - won't go down well with some of Brexit hardcore