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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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mrsreynolds · 16/11/2017 22:35

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BigChocFrenzy · 16/11/2017 22:56

When the British mention the Border, I turn to Lewis Carroll

The Irish Times may have discovered where DD got his script from - Alice in Wonderland

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/when-the-british-mention-the-border-i-turn-to-lewis-carroll-1.3293035

Alice laughed: “There’s no use trying,” she said; “one can’t believe impossible things.”

“I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen.
“When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day.
Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

< aha, that's the Brexiters' manual, all right >

Peregrina · 16/11/2017 23:34

Some election results:
Whaplode & Holbeach St John's (South Holland) result:

CON: 78.0% (+21.2)
LAB: 22.0% (+22.0)

Conservative HOLD.
No UKIP (-43.3) as prev.

No surprise there. What interested me was that the one time UKIP vote seemed to split evenly between Labour and Tory.

mathanxiety · 17/11/2017 05:54

But she needs to focus on sorting out the omnishambles that is Brexit right now, and let Brokenshire try to get Stormont back on track

Stormont will not get back on track as long as the DUP have TM in their pocket. They have no need of the NI Assembly. The rest of NI can 'go whistle' as long as the DUP have what they want - and they do - namely, power.

What would they get out of the NI Assembly? Constant friction with SF, the requirement to compromise to get the work of the Assembly done? Much easier to get yourself a tame Tory Party and yank the lead from time to time, and by so doing you get to rub SF's nose in the fact that you have and always have had the inside track at Westminster..

mathanxiety · 17/11/2017 05:56

"Now if you want to know the mind of a nation, all one must do is read its press"

David Davis, from the photo linked by Woman.

They can stare in disbelief at the DM.

HesterThrale · 17/11/2017 06:52

I received this from the Govt Petitions Committee in response to this one I signed - "Investigate covert foreign interference in the EU referendum”.

The bit I've underlined: hollow laugh... the words pot, kettle, black, come to mind when I think of our own press.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200394?reveal_response=yes#response-threshold

'As the Prime Minister stated in her speech at Mansion House on 13th November 2017, the first duty of Government is to safeguard the nation. The Government takes the security and integrity of our democratic processes very seriously. It is unacceptable for any nation, not just Russia, to interfere in the democratic elections of another country. With regard to cyber interference, the UK electoral system is a difficult one to manipulate directly through cyber-attack as we operate a system of manual counting of paper ballots. Nevertheless, the Government is not complacent and will continue preparing for the future. The National Cyber Security Centre is currently working to deploy active cyber defence measures. These seek to block, disrupt and neutralise malicious cyber activity before it reaches citizens. This is part of the Government’s on-going work to make the UK the most secure place to live and work online. Concerning disinformation, the Government is proud that our country benefits from a free, open and accessible media. However, others may try to use this to manipulate and confuse the information environment to suit their own ends. Managing this in all its forms is a long-term priority for the UK and the Government will continue to work to effectively constrain the effects of disinformation. This includes regulation through independent bodies, such as Ofcom who – through the Broadcasting Code – require broadcasters to present news with due accuracy and due impartiality. The Russian government persistently uses disinformation as a tool to destabilise perceived enemies. This is not a new evolution in methodology or approach and has been evident in Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea; its rhetoric on the Syrian regime backed chemical weapons attacks on innocent civilians; and as a method employed by the country in its destabilisation of east Ukraine and beyond. The UK is actively engaging with international partners, industry and civil society to tackle the Kremlin’s use of disinformation and propaganda, which is damaging Russia’s global reputation.'

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 07:00

Received a government response to a petition:

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Investigate covert foreign interference in the EU referendum”.

Government responded:

As the Prime Minister stated in her speech at Mansion House on 13th November 2017, the first duty of Government is to safeguard the nation.

The Government takes the security and integrity of our democratic processes very seriously. It is unacceptable for any nation, not just Russia, to interfere in the democratic elections of another country.

With regard to cyber interference, the UK electoral system is a difficult one to manipulate directly through cyber-attack as we operate a system of manual counting of paper ballots. Nevertheless, the Government is not complacent and will continue preparing for the future. The National Cyber Security Centre is currently working to deploy active cyber defence measures. These seek to block, disrupt and neutralise malicious cyber activity before it reaches citizens. This is part of the Government’s on-going work to make the UK the most secure place to live and work online.

Concerning disinformation, the Government is proud that our country benefits from a free, open and accessible media. However, others may try to use this to manipulate and confuse the information environment to suit their own ends. Managing this in all its forms is a long-term priority for the UK and the Government will continue to work to effectively constrain the effects of disinformation. This includes regulation through independent bodies, such as Ofcom who – through the Broadcasting Code – require broadcasters to present news with due accuracy and due impartiality.

The Russian government persistently uses disinformation as a tool to destabilise perceived enemies. This is not a new evolution in methodology or approach and has been evident in Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea; its rhetoric on the Syrian regime backed chemical weapons attacks on innocent civilians; and as a method employed by the country in its destabilisation of east Ukraine and beyond. The UK is actively engaging with international partners, industry and civil society to tackle the Kremlin’s use of disinformation and propaganda, which is damaging Russia’s global reputation.

Cabinet Office

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 07:01

Whoops, cross post hester

LurkingHusband · 17/11/2017 07:26

Frankie Boyles been busy:

Here’s a column I wrote during the week to try highlight a wee bit of injustice, but sadly no bastard would publish it.
You’ll find a few jokes from old FB columns pressed into service in a good cause.

Have a powerful Thursday.

I’m impressed by Theresa May’s body language; until recently I didn’t know it was possible to limp with both legs.

May must have imagined that at this point she would be wielding a hundred seat majority like the One Ring; instead she merely persists, a kind of electoral skidmark.

Priti Patel was due to be given a stern telling off from the Prime Minister, but then Boris stepped in to help, and now she’s due to be executed. Patel was on a family holiday when she met Benjamin Netanyahu. Which sounds like something organised by a team from The Apprentice. I can imagine Lord Sugar in the boardroom shaking his finger at the project manager, “They loved the food, the horse and cart ride in the old town was great, but the family really feel like the holiday was let down by the excursion to meet Benjamin Netanyahu. Why did you didn’t choose the water park I’ll never know!” Patel broke the ministerial code by meeting the Israeli Prime Minister. Had she not discussed policy but instead simply felt him up, the whips would have probably had the decency to sweep the whole thing under the carpet.

Her flight home must have been unpleasant. Mulling over the end of her ministerial career and how she would deal with the press frenzy and the venom of her colleagues. Still, I’d take that any day over the latest Adam Sandler movie. It’s probably the only time a first class passenger on Kenyan Airways has pressed the button above her head to summon a flight attendant only to ask what they make a year and if there were any vacancies. Yes, she might have advocated giving aid money to the Israeli army, but it was for a hospital, so she was helping people who were fighting for their lives. I mean, technically they were fighting for Al-Qaeda, but it feels churlish to point score about such things.

The Tories have a lot more trouble scheduled for the immediate future, all of their own making. A six week payments gap when you switch to universal credit? You’d almost think that unscrupulous loan companies had a history of donations to the party.Then there will be the harrowing spectacle of next week’s budget presented by a Chancellor who uses Dickens as a style blog. A pre-Christmas budget, what a wonderful ring that has: not unlike a February 13th herpes flare up. The budget is a diorama of our political class’s patronising view of the public. They wheel out the guy responsible for the complexities of quantitive easing, the regulation of derivatives, and export tariffs, and he gives a speech about only putting fivepence on cider to a bunch of people with a subsidised bar. The construction industry is very worried about the budget, as after Brexit it will consist of one bloke called Terry having to fit twelve thousand kitchens a week. My own big Brexit worry is that my poor cleaner will be forced to leave the UK and I’ll have to burn my own sheets.

Boris Johnson has managed to give the impression that if the Brexit deal isn’t to his liking, he might resign on principle. Boris and principle are incongruous terms, and the whole thing feels a bit like someone telling you they think their Alsatian has a strong sense of religious duty. Ken Clarke recently suggested that in normal times Johnson would have been sacked. As it is we’re just going to have to settle for him being incinerated in a thermo-nuclear war along with the rest of us. The thought must occur to the Conservatives that even Boris is not cartoonish enough; that in these dumbed down times, where seeing tragedy on a west end stage probably means going to a Bee Gees musical, something even more basic might be required. Step forward Jacob Rees-Mogg, a composite figure drawn from the nightmares of 18th century child millworkers, a Punch cartoon of the first giraffe in England. Hats off to the blighter for trying to bring religion into Conservatism, a movement largely based on coveting.

I was deeply disturbed by the Foreign Secretary’s failure to properly apologise or make ammends for his remarks about Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. He said the remarks had been taken out of context, which they weren’t, unless he meant they only make sense in the context of him being an incompetent jackass, which is true. I was equally disturbed by Liam Fox pooh poohing it as a “slip of the tongue”. These are two people who have made lucrative careers not just out of Britain, but of the idea of Britain. They have wrung their hands about British sovereignty and borders. They have attempted to align themselves with the idea of shared British values, and defined those who oppose them as being contrary to Britain’s values, and even security. The corollary of that position is that British citizenship has to mean something. You can’t reasonably say that you want greater sovereignty in the interests of anyone other than your own citizens. And if you want to align yourself with British values, you ought to know that there’s nobody in the country, or your own parliamentary party for that matter, who would say that their values allow them to brush off the prospect of a British mother rotting in jail.

Andy Tsege is also a British citizen and he was living in the UK with his partner and children just over three years ago. He wrote a book that detailed how the rulers of Ethiopia, having recently won power, had embarked on a campaign of violent oppression against their people. Little did Andy know that this book would see him sentenced to death by the Ethiopian regime whilst he, unawares, was living with his family in the UK. Andy felt safe in Britain. He had moved here because he was being targeted in Ethiopia and believed in British democracy. He studied philosophy at Greenwich University and made a living by driving a mini cab. Andy travelled on a UK passport which requests, in words attributed to Her Majesty the Queen, that the bearer be allowed “to pass freely without let of hindrance.” Apparently her Majesty’s officials took their eyes off the ball when, in June 2014, Andy was kidnapped while transferring through an international airport more than 600 miles away from Addis Ababa . He was transported to Ethiopia and locked in the worst conditions imaginable, tortured, beaten and made to “confess” on national TV. He has been stuck on death row ever since.

If you’re in Parliament at the moment you are in a uniquely powerful position. There is a government that lacks the ability to govern, defined by trade negotiations that they are consumed by without ever managing to begin. If you’re a Conservative MP right now, you occupy an odd moment in history where, as part of a minority government that needs your support, you could actually achieve things. If you were looking for a place to start, you might ask yourself whether you feel your values are being represented by Cabinet members who seem sanguine about British citizens being sentenced for crimes they didn’t commit; for promoting democracy; for going on holiday? I like to think that some of you, watching this saga continue without apology, deprived of even the barest nod at decency, might even realise that you can do something about it.

Details of both campaigns here
freenazanin.com
www.reprieve.org.uk/case-study/andargachew-tsege

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2017 07:32

Alexander Clarkson @ APHClarkson
By publicly ridiculing Barnier's deadline, Davis puts even more pressure on the EU27 to stick to it. It's almost a willful act of self-sabotage

Ian James Parsley @ ianjamesparsley
This evening in Germany, David Davis has demonstrated a frankly humiliating misunderstanding of even the basics of the EU.

A quick thread.

1/
Firstly, even if somehow Angela Merkel were scared that the German economy could be crippled by, er, not being able to export freely to a smaller country like the UK, she cannot intervene to offer the UK a special deal. No one can.

2/
Let us repeat: the EU is the Single Market and the Single Market is the EU.

Let us also repeat: the Single Market is a market of rules. This is the fundamental point David Davis has still failed to grasp.

3/
For that reason, participation in the Single Market by any non-EU State is determined by which rules that State is willing to adopt.

And that the end of it.

(Norway adopts nearly all of them, for example; Moldova just a few.)

4/
David Davis therefore still hasn’t grasped that this negotiation is not “We give a bit, you give a bit”.

It is essentially “Here are the rules of the Single Market; tell us which ones you no longer wish to apply and that will determine your level of participation in it.”

5/
This really should be obvious. How otherwise could a 27/28-member bloc function if it did not have rules? And those rules cannot be amended other than with the support of the whole bloc.

6/
This is all to leave quite aside that David Davis vastly overstates the UK’s economic importance. Germany sells many multiples more cars in China and the US, for example. That is a basic matter of fact.

7/
UK really should have worked out by now, more than halfway between Referendum Day and Brexit Day, that this whole “They’ll bend to our will” stuff is a myth.

It can’t happen - and wouldn’t, even if it could.

8/
And for any UK Minister to go anywhere else and tell the locals not to put “politics before prosperity” is, right now, to set a new world record in gross hypocrisy.

For that is precisely and embarrassingly what the UK alone is doing with #Brexit.

9/
David Davis’ call for co-operation in the interests of mutual prosperity was met with an obvious first question from a German journalist.

“If that is what you want, why are you leaving?”

Quite.

10/10

Matthew Moore @ matthewmoorek
German interviewer is applauded when he tells David Davis your government gives "the impression of chaos". DD says it's a "period of turbulence".

Peter Foster @ pmdfoster
Am hearing from colleagues in the room Davis went down very badly indeed.

Received with contempt in some quarters.

---- image from Torygraph.

Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
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LurkingHusband · 17/11/2017 07:40

The problem is domestically - in the echo chamber - stories such as the above are only more "proof" to the barmy Brexit brigade that the EU is out to "get us".

I wish I could find it online, but a sketch from Ben Eltons "Man from Auntie" years ago sums it up. He had a series of "on an escalator with ..." and one week it was Margaret Thatcher who was on the up escalator, but insisted it was the down one. She was calling for the manager to sort out the wrong-direction escalator, desperately trying to walk down it while it went up. Meanwhile, alongside, were puzzled people quietly descending ... on the down escalator.

Sort of sums up nicely where we are ....

BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2017 07:43

Another serious blunder by this ignorant govt, whose only policy is appeasing the Ultras

Obstinately fixing the Brexit date risks disastrous consequences for the umpteen £ trillion of existing cross-Channel financial products

  • and the institutions which issued them.

The major banks, insurance companies and commercial law firms all need more time to sort out all existing contracts.

If they haven't done so by Brexit date, this could affect any customers with a fixed rate mortgage or an insurance claim.

The uncertainty among financial institutions could, worst case, even lead to another financial crisis, as in 2008.

Yet another possibility for disaster capitalists to loot ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/anthony-hilton-theresa-may-is-wrong-to-be-rigid-on-eu-departure-date-a3691651.html

BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2017 07:54

Re (forlorn) hopes for the future:
The last couple of years, I've been noticing Sajid Javid, one of the young gen who could reinvent the Tories
(or of course the pitiless fanatics could remain in control)
He seems to realise that not managing to live The Dream /= being lazy or spendthrift

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/16/sajid-javid-defends-millennials-housing-market-avocados

Communities secretary criticises baby boomers who have long paid off their mortgages for saying young people are too profligate to own property

BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2017 08:00

Good news

  • may also be why Farage is keen on safeguarding money for his MEP pension, hence changing his tune about the UK paying its bills

Farage to settle the libel claim against him by Hope Not Hate
He is facing 100,000 in legal costs, plus whatever damages are agreed: GrinGrin

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/16/libel-action-nigel-farage-fake-news-hope-not-hate

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2017 09:15

Allie Renison @ AllieRenison
George Freeman very far away from being an unconstructive Remoaner. Committed Conservative, extremely pragmatic, well-liked throughout the party. I think Govt will listen to genuine concerns like his

In other words - one to watch

Tony Connelly @ tconnellyrte
I understand Varadkar told Theresa May Ireland needed a form of words on how the UK wd avoid a border that wd be written into December Council conclusions, otherwise there is no move to Phase II. Those words should reflect no regulatory divergence on either side of the border

Several tweets along these lines this morning

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prettybird · 17/11/2017 10:23

Maybe we are doing DD a disservice Wink

Maybe his request that "prosperity should be put before politics" is a coded message to his own party and the ultra Brexiteers Grin

no, I don't think he's that intelligent either Wink

RhiannonOHara · 17/11/2017 10:28

for any UK Minister to go anywhere else and tell the locals not to put “politics before prosperity” is, right now, to set a new world record in gross hypocrisy.

Totally this.

And We will be a third country partner like no other.

Who the ACTUAL FUCK does he think he/the UK is?

I genuinely don't know if he's speaking from delusion, arrogance or a sort of grim denial.

Peregrina · 17/11/2017 10:42

We will be a third country partner like no other.

Which reminded me of this Punch cartoon.

Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2017 11:35

I won't believe DD understands the issues until he stops prattling magical / IT solutions for Ni and indeed all Uk exports

The free flow of data with the EU will be severely disrupted, which will impact every business, govt department and public agency that deals with the EU.

We will not even be able to share data properly with the EU
Yet DD raves of magical borders via (not yet even defined) innovative IT systems.

RedToothBrush · 17/11/2017 11:37

Henry Zeffman‏ @hzeffman
Downing Street adamant they won't drop exit date amendment. "What the amendment does is provide certainty over our position that we are leaving the EU on March 29, 2019. We would encourage all MPs to support it."

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
1. Davis clearly NOT in mood to compromise, warns EU they’ll get ‘nothing for nothing’
2. Davis singles out countries being helpful, Denmark, Holland, Poland, Italy and Spain while Germany the ‘hardest audience’
3. Davis signals govt may well budge on date amendment - says it’s still a good idea but ‘let’s see where we go’ Altho No 10 still claims they won’t budge - mmmm

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42025126
Brexit: Can 'bad cop' David Davis reboot talks?

Answer: No.

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RedToothBrush · 17/11/2017 11:43

Inquiry into Leave.Eu by electoral commission delayed because they are refusing to hand over documentation.

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2017 12:01

The Electoral Commission seem toothless.

Imagine refusing to hand over documents to the police.
Or even to HMRC

usuallydormant · 17/11/2017 12:34

The Irish start to play hardball: Coveney and Varadkar are not going to allow this wishful thinking and fudging of the border question before moving to the next phase. I do think this is a new breed of Irish politician who has grown up in a modern, confident Ireland and they are not going to be the easy pushovers the Tories have assumed. Boris' waffle is not going to fool Dublin.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/17/irish-pm-brexit-backing-politicians-did-not-think-things-through

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/1117/920784-brexit/

prettybird · 17/11/2017 12:48

DD is fixated on Germany as being the unbelievers "problem" Hmm and is apparently totally unaware that the real blockers to the progress to the next stage - because they do have a real problem that needs to be addressed and solved seriously, and not with an airy-fairy waving of the hand and an assertion that undefined and undeveloped "innovative solutions" will deal with it Confused - is closer to home in the Republic of Ireland Shock

woman11017 · 17/11/2017 12:56

Inquiry into Leave.Eu by electoral commission delayed because they are refusing to hand over documentation.

^The network of offshore companies linked to the man who financed Britain’s campaign to quit the European Union has been revealed in previously unpublished documents from the Panama Papers.

The British Virgin Islands and Gibraltar emerge as key locations in the financial affairs of Arron Banks, who spent £7.5m funding Nigel Farage’s Leave.EU campaign group ahead of the Brexit referendum on 23 June. New details of Banks’s financial dealings are contained in the massive leaked database of the world’s fourth biggest offshore law firm, Mossack Fonseca, which has revealed the myriad ways in which the rich can exploit secretive offshore tax regimes.

The Panama Papers show that Banks is a shareholder of PRI Holdings Limited, which Panamanian-based Mossack Fonseca set up as an offshore company in 2013. PRI Holdings is based in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), a UK offshore territory and international tax haven
.
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/15/panama-papers-reveal-offshore-secrets-arron-banks-brexit-backer

Really surprised at this ^ Wink

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