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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 17:15

Because whether you like him or not, he is.

Who else has changed the narrative of politics to the degree he has? His style and tricks are dirty and nasty but then that's not the point.

From a platform which didn't have that much say - as it was outside the commons - he has done more than those in it.

He out witted a whole bunch of people.

Being right and telling the truth are not necessarily perquisites to being a good politician. Being a good politician is about getting people on board with your ideas to change things.

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Motheroffourdragons · 14/11/2017 17:22

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RhiannonOHara · 14/11/2017 17:26

I agree with Red about Farage. Thinking he's great in the sense of liking him is not the same as admitting that he is good at what he does and has changed the face of politics.

OlennasWimple · 14/11/2017 17:29

I guess calling someone a "great politician" implies that you think highly of them ("greatest sportsperson", "greatest achievement" etc). "Most influential politician" might have been a better choice of words. I'd put Blair above Farage as "greatest politician" of that generation

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 17:32

Carl Gardner‏*@carlgardner* 11 minutes ago
Finally, Yvette Cooper is the one to point out that clause 9 allows ministers to postpone exit day.

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 17:51

Ooo I see we have an attempted coup taking place in Zimbabwe.

More political uncertainty across the world.

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woman11017 · 14/11/2017 18:23

@carolecadwalla
Carole Cadwalladr Retweeted LEAVE.EU 🇬🇧
Hmm. @LeaveEUOfficial have photoshopped me into a video. I'm genuinely undecided. Is it funny? Or is it threatening me with violence?

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 18:46

Dan Roberts‏ @RobertsDan
Honda UK telling MPs it imports 2 million components a day from Europe on 350 trucks and holds 1 hours worth of stock. It would take 18 months to put customs admin in place but every 15 minutes of delay would cost £850,000 a hour. That's not including WTO tariffs of 10% and 4.5%.

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Cailleach1 · 14/11/2017 18:46

everybody lining up to hit her. just a vid of people hitting her. as nasty as you'd expect.

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 18:47

Robert Harris‏*@Robert*_Harris
Typical remoaning. Did we need Honda component parts at Agincourt or Crecy?

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Cailleach1 · 14/11/2017 18:51

numpty is quite a mild word. A nasty deceitful crook would be my own personal opinion. he and his party are under investigation by olaf for fraud and/or corruption. i think he is protected by his brexiteer baron friends in the uk.

mrsreynolds · 14/11/2017 18:57

I think Nigel farage will leave the UK
(Along with a few others)
Because when the shambles that is brexit hits he (and they) will be lynched

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 14/11/2017 19:07

I think Clarke said "successful" not "great".

www.westmonster.com/clarke-farage-most-successful-politician-of-my-generation/

(Assuming this is a reliable source. It's what I read in the Graun as well).

woman11017 · 14/11/2017 19:22

@faisalislam
Contemptuous tone of the Conservative backbenchers calling government amendement “mad” and “silly” almost as concerning for Govt as numbers

woman11017 · 14/11/2017 19:28

@Peston
What is perhaps amazing is that 68 MPs voted against thisRobert Peston added,

@HouseofCommons
The House of Commons votes 318 to 68 to approve Clause 1 to the #EUWithdrawalBill. The European Communities Act 1972 will be repealed on exit day.

Warming up?

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 19:32

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
Contemptuous tone of the Conservative backbenchers calling government amendement “mad” and “silly” almost as concerning for Govt as numbers

Tom Newton Dunn‏ @tnewtondunn
Government defeats first amendment to the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, put to a Commons vote. Just 468 to go.

FWIW Ken Clarke called Farage the most successful politician of his generation not the best

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woman11017 · 14/11/2017 19:34

@carolecadwalla
Context:
2 weeks ago: Leave.EU retweets Russian ambassador attacking 'unscrupulous journalists'.
Last week: Russian embassy sends letter calling me 'bad journalist'.
Today: Leave.EU posts video of me being violently assaulted.

and

@mfa_russia
#UK Prime Minister @theresa_may on @Russia: “We know what you are doing”. We know what YOU are doing as well. Dear Theresa, we hope, one day you will try Crimean #Massandra red wine🍷

Hmm both are women too.

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 19:39

Theresa May‏ @theresa_may
The UK and Scotland must continue to work together to ensure businesses and consumers have the certainty they need as we leave the EU

Theresa May declares Scotland independent.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 19:46

Also homophobic woman

Arron Banks
@Arron_banks
So bent @BenPBradshaw & @RhonddaBryant how much money did you take from Open Democracy and George Soros @carolecadwalla

woman11017 · 14/11/2017 20:11

Yeah saw that Pain I liked Bradshaw's reply.Grin Soros is old anti semitic dog whistle, to be expected, I suppose.

pinkingshears · 14/11/2017 20:15

'The UK and Scotland...' (T May)
Ruddy hell, La Sturgeon will LOVE that... Shock

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 20:28

(Assuming this is a reliable source. It's what I read in the Graun as well).

Hansard says successful.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 20:40

Seb Dance MEP
@SebDance
Farage speaks. He mentions Soros. His cheerleaders online and on air repeat it. Cue emails - apparently serious emails - asking me how much Soros is personally paying me to advocate LGBT rights. 🤦🏼‍♂️

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 21:20

Can anyone sense some fear from the government in this headline

Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
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woman11017 · 14/11/2017 21:22

Can anyone sense some fear from the government in this headline
God I hope so red watching this is like being at a never-ending funeral of our rights.

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