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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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AgnesSkinner · 14/11/2017 12:19

Ah - x post with Pain Smile

woman11017 · 14/11/2017 12:24

Agnes here's the screenshot:

Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
woman11017 · 14/11/2017 12:25

Cross post with everyone! Blush

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 12:30

British MP calls on Twitter to release Russian 'troll factory' tweets
Damian Collins wants to see posts linked to British politics after Twitter gave list of suspended Russia-linked accounts to US intelligence committee

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/14/british-mp-calls-on-twitter-to-release-russian-troll-factory-tweets?CMP=twt_gu

Cailleach1 · 14/11/2017 12:32

it is great how screenshots are being grabbed so quickly now. can't get enough of the evidence of their machinations out there, woman Grin

if it is pulled, they should say why. is it baloney? otherwise, why can't it stand?

LurkingHusband · 14/11/2017 12:34

if it is pulled, they should say why. is it baloney?

FAKE NEWS.
FAKE NEWS.

HashiAsLarry · 14/11/2017 12:42

Also this:
www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/markdistefano/facebook-has-finally-opened-the-door-to-admitting-russia
Facebook has finally opened the door to admitting Russia meddled in brexit.

Cailleach1 · 14/11/2017 12:48

Mandatory reporting, transparency and sanctions wrt tax avoidance and shelters. if the ep has a vote, wonder which ukip will vote? not really . They are supposedly against the elites their backers

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paradise-papers-eu-tax-avoidance-vampires-pierre-moscovici-a8053926.html

woman11017 · 14/11/2017 12:49

@Peston
I’m told @jeremycorbyn and shadow cabinet will make common cause with Tory Remain rebels on opposing @theresa_may amendment to EU Withdrawal Bill to set hard date of March 29 2019 for Brexit - because would constrain Brexit talks. It will be key vote, for UK & PM’s future

Pennies dropping, mebbee too late?

Cailleach1 · 14/11/2017 12:55

LH, they are posting fake news and therefore pull it when they realise it. Even more reason for an organ of gov't to state that with an explanation. disregard the propaganda we just put on our official site. we have a duty to be a credible and honest source.

woman11017 · 14/11/2017 12:56

Truth's the first casualty in war.

LurkingHusband · 14/11/2017 13:17

Truth's the first casualty in war.

In war, truth is so precious, it must be surrounded by a bodyguard of lies.

RagingFemininist · 14/11/2017 13:28

The thing with admitting that Russia had being meddling with the Brexit vote is that saying that is also admitting that actually the Brexit vite was NOT representative. And therefore leavers have no mandate for Brexit, let alone a hard Brexit.

RagingFemininist · 14/11/2017 13:31

Re the vote on the Brexit deal.
Can I ask how the EU seems to manage to have the EU parliament voting any agreement but somehow the U.K. can’t??

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 13:45

MFA Russia 🇷🇺‏Verified account
@mfa_russia

#UK Prime Minister @theresa_may on @Russia: “We know what you are doing”. We know what YOU are doing as well. Dear Theresa, we hope, one day you will try Crimean #Massandra red wine🍷

Mark Di Stefano 🤙🏻‏
@MarkDiStef

I was trying wrap my head around Russia’s threatening tweet at Theresa May… and Arron Banks liked the tweet pretty much straight away, so now I need a good nap.

Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
woman11017 · 14/11/2017 13:51

Tory remainer doc to send to tory MPs:

www.conservativegroupforeurope.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Taking-a-terrible-gamble.pdf

woman11017 · 14/11/2017 13:53

Confused Pain

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 14:02

Faisal Islam‏Verified account
@faisalislam
So this much-heralded Dexeu exit day amendment that enshrines Exit Day at 11pm on 29/3/19...

Is not the full story....

2/
There is a consequential Amendment tabled by David Davis at the same time - amendment 383 relating to the “saving provision” on exit day

3/ This amendment changes this clause 17 of the EU Withdrawal Bill: some Tory MPs say the clerks believe that this retains a reserve power..

4/ ... reserve power to change the exit date in relation to any transition deal..view of some Tory MPs having consulted Parliamentary clerks

Sam Coates Times‏
@SamCoatesTimes
Government Amendment 383 to the Withdrawal bill appears to give ministers the right to vary Brexit date, undoing the effect of the amendment Theresa May announced last week. Rebels surprised, journalists confused. Help anyone?

Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.
mrsreynolds · 14/11/2017 15:30

This has cheered me up
twitter.com/Independent/status/930457209447821312

HashiAsLarry · 14/11/2017 15:45

Liars gonna lie Grin
Certainly made me smile mrsr

twofingerstoEverything · 14/11/2017 15:45

Yes, mrsreynolds. Well done to Hope Not Hate for calling out Farage's lies.

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2017 16:12

A couple of tweets in response to the Sam Coates tweet above and it's replies

Henry Mance @ henrymance
Exactly - it renders the exit day less important, because ministers can decide that certain provisions don't come into effect on it.

Chris Cook @ xtophercook
Gotcha. Yes, it lets you change interaction of stuff with exit day, but the purpose is to stop ministers changing "exit day".
To be clear, the amendment is stopping them changing the date. The clause continues to let them mess with that.

So this isn't really a departure from what they have said previously in someways. There has been talk of this, but in terms of multiple Brexit dates and with the possibility of an extension.

But

Faisal Islam @ FaisalIslam
Steve Baker reassures Peter Bone that there will be no reserve power to alter Brexit Day, under amendment 383
Tory MP @sandbach says that those who voted for Article 50 did so knowing that it has a clause on its extension, subject to agreement of 28
€Interestingly Minister Steve Baker is now using the argument/fact that we have to become a third country to sign a trade deal...
For months Government suggested that it could sign a future deal within the two year period

Faisal Islam @ FaisalIslam
Honda’s Patrick Keating tells @CommonsBeis that they are getting messages that Europe will not allow VCA type approvals post-Brexit/ no deal
Aston Martin CFO Mark Wilson says that No Deal and so no VCA type approval into EU would result in a “semi-catastrophic” stop in production
Aston MArtin CFO: “the absence of knowing what we are leaving to or even the direction of travel” is the difficulty
SMMT’s HAwes: “Government is def listening, but whether that will lead to action is difficult to say”
Aston Martin chief financial officer: difficult to understand whether we are getting through or not [to govt on Brexit hit to car industry]
So Honda just said that there is now a doubt over whether EU will recognise UK VCA type approval for its cars built in Swindon
MP presses SMMT’s Hawes on German car manufacturers thing: “To put it in context - 56% of our exports go to Europe - 7% of theirs come here”
Rachel Reeves doing some good work on getting them to calculate WTO tariff impact on cars -Hawes says on avg £1500 on sticker price of a car
^“It would be an incredible challenge to go on to WTO terms” says SMMT’s Hawes
Aston CFO says cheap £ doesnt make up for WTO tariffs: “Over long term a weak sterling will catch up with you” ... hedges unwinding
Honda: “outside of the Customs Union there is no such thing as a frictionless border”
Honda: “I wouldnt say that just in time manufacturing model wouldnt work, but it would certainly be very challenging”
Aston MArtin CFO: “The issue for us having a substantial proportion of my outbound balance sheet stuck in customs ports around Europe”

Faisal Islam @ FaisalIslam
So @RachelReevesMP is basically doing a live Brexit/ No Deal impact study on the car industry with five other @CommonsBEIS MPs

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woman11017 · 14/11/2017 16:28

This has cheered me up Smile

woman11017 · 14/11/2017 16:37

@ParlyApp
Sustained applause from some MPs as Ken Clarke finishes his speech by saying "I am the rebel." Amazing scenes.

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