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Brexit

Rumour has it, some remainers are a little glum.....

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Carolinesbeanies · 06/11/2017 10:03

So in the spirit of sharing our deluded brexiteer cheerfulness, heres a round up of some of this weeks good news.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-5040279/UK-exports-booming-outside-Europe.html

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/london-news/big-boost-world-bank-ranks-uk-seventh-in-its-doing-business-report/18554.article

https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/world-trade-makes-a-comeback-845798/amp

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-volkswagen/vw-explores-uk-banking-licence-ahead-of-brexit-idUKKBN1D22KR

The government have 'found' £60billion to put is a slush fund for brexit.

https://amp.ft.com/content/f3271ac7-7439-319f-ba90-9252f59aafee

And in the week that saw the interest rate rise, the Bank of England said gloomily "as migration tightens, we will see wage growth". Note the 'we will'. Smile

Excellent. All this whilst the media obsess over impotent politicians as Britain works.

Rumour has it, some remainers are a little glum.....
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MelodyvonPeterswald · 09/11/2017 17:08

Today 16:25 Corcory

You don't live here then Melody? The last thing most of the Scottish people want is for NS to get her way! The last thing we want is to be separated from our biggest trading partner - rUK!

I know that Corcory...It's just people like Somerville who "smile" at the thought of NI and Scotland coming under the yolk of President Juncker

pointythings · 09/11/2017 17:41

yolk Grin

AgnesSkinner · 09/11/2017 18:23

Jaguar and Landrover are owned by a Indian company are they not
Correct and they are built here and providing great jobs.

The latest E-Pace model will be built in Austria and China. There are also plants in Brazil and a new plant in Slovakia will be coming online soon.

Waterfeature · 09/11/2017 18:33

I love this thread.

Carolinesbeanies · 09/11/2017 19:04

Oooh, Jaguar Landrover are on my cheery index, I missed them. Thank you for the prompt.

Lots of cheery folk in Coventry and Stafford.

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/jaguar-land-rover-scores-great-13833170

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/biggest-industrial-development-generations-built-13879387

www.insidermedia.com/insider/midlands/40m-jlr-car-depot-plans-published

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MelodyvonPeterswald · 09/11/2017 19:11

Sorry Pointythings
I meant yoke of Junkers. We Leavers is all fick innit.

Carolinesbeanies · 09/11/2017 19:12

Just as an aside. Had a serious discussion today (not so cheery) about that old chestnut, the impact of fake news on the referendum result. I was forced to show them what swung my vote. Ive a thing for baldies.......Blush

Note the first para......"the campaign was in disarray last night as Boris was exposed" GrinGrinGrin

Rumour has it, some remainers are a little glum.....
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Carolinesbeanies · 10/11/2017 00:14

Whoop, we have proposed 'exit' day and time. 23:00hrs 29th March 2019.

Though the BBC, bless em, couldnt help rolling out Lord Kerr in the same piece. (The mildly amusing Lord and author of A50, who spits bile at ignorant common people and famously said "We native Brits are so bloody stupid that we need an injection of intelligent people, young people from outside ")

But this point is worth persuing, as its cheery on 2 fronts.

Lord Kerr has clearly 'forgotten' that at the Supreme Court, Gina Miller and Co on one side, and the Government on the other, both sides argued A50 could not be withdrawn. Miller and Co used Lord Kerr to enforce this position. The Supreme Court made their judgment based on that. Heres the judgement.

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0196-judgment.pdf

Para 26 reads;

"In these proceedings, it is common ground that notice under article 50(2) (which we shall call “Notice”) cannot be given in qualified or conditional terms and that, once given, it cannot be withdrawn. "

An Act of Parliament was then passed as demanded.

Lord Kerr I have two things to say to you. I know youre 75, but Im concerned about your faculties. I can only assume this is forgetfulness, as the alternative, an effort to undermine and derail procedures with presenting false information to the general public (or the Supreme Court, take your pick) is surely beneath a Lord of the Realm? And 2, the Beeb are looking at means testing you re your licence. I hope this doesnt cause you hardship.

Cheery cheers to Gina Miller GrinGrinGrin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41936428

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MelodyvonPeterswald · 10/11/2017 06:38

Bless her!

themueslicamel · 10/11/2017 08:25

How about March 29th 2019 being a national holiday?

Got to start a petition for that?

Independence Day

🎂🎉🇬🇧

BoboEK · 10/11/2017 09:13

Still no solution to the N.I border issue then ? until that is resolved, brexit will not happen.

Carolinesbeanies · 10/11/2017 10:31

BoboEK, thats not strictly true. Its not ideal, as it puts Ireland in a very difficult position. On 30th March 2019, the EU has no influence whatsoever over the UK. In the event of no agreements being made, the EU could tell their member state Ireland, that they must put up a wall, and impose a controlled border.

Do Ireland agree to the EUs demands despite the EUs previous agreements regards the CTA (IOM, Jersey etc) or do they not? If the UK has indeed 'mirrored' tariffs and regs on 30th March 2019, do Ireland and the EU proceed with a border for no financial or regulatory gain whatsoever? One could assume it would be a political one only.

But just moving on, contrary to my intention here, this flew across my feed earlier. We have experienced some really shitty behaviour from remain over these last two years, but this for me, on Remembrance weekend, has exceeded anything seen before. I wont be posting here till next week as this needs a lot of reflecting on. This is beyond a new low.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-leave-vote-remembrance-sunday-dont-bother-wearing-a-poppy-a8043711.html?amp

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BoboEK · 10/11/2017 10:45

Caroline, sorry but your forgetting the most important factor.

People.

Good Friday agreement will not be put in jeopardy.

Sorry.

MsHooliesCardigan · 10/11/2017 11:09

Anyone who claims June 23rd should be Independence Day is an utter moron.
The countries that have Independence days are those that were colonised against their will by a country that screwed them over (usually us) and then managed to free themselves of their oppressor.
We voted to join the EEC and now we’ve voted to leave the EU. I find this ‘Independence day’ thing quite fucking offensive actually.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 10/11/2017 11:40

Caroline, I’m monumentally pissed off with that article too.
Beyond offensive to the myriad Leave voters that have actually served in the armed forces and signed their lives over to the country (unlike the author himself).

I know countless serving & former personnel from across all of the armed forces who voted to leave. I am one myself.

Politicising Remembrance Day is disgustingly low.
(Fwiw I also disagree with compulsory remembrance - it’s something that you do, or don’t do, it’s personal - It’s not glorifying war, it’s not political, it’s not celebrating victory etc - it’s a time to reflect & remember the consequences of war).

Theworldisfullofidiots · 10/11/2017 12:53

One thing I actually agree with a leave voter about. It is never right to politicise war or the armed forces. It pissed me off monumentally the countless mêmes about how old soldiers from ww1 and 2 were voting and would vote by leave voters. Particularly as none of these people knew a living war veteran which is difficult as now nearly all have died.
Interestingly all the old living soldiers I know voted remain. I think my dad would have voted remain but I don't know.
All the armed forces personnel I know currently voted remain but I'm sure lots of others voted leave too.
It should never be hijacked by anyone.

MelodyvonPeterswald · 10/11/2017 13:37

I find this ‘Independence day’ thing quite fucking offensive actually

How about if we called it
"Emerging from under the YOLK of His Excellency The Bibulous President Junkers Day"

Has a nice ring to it.

SoulStew · 10/11/2017 16:58

I can’t fathom why we can’t call a day on which we become INDEPENDENT from a (cough cough) trade bloc, Independence Day.
It’s a word, with a simple meaning. No need to attach a load of emotional drivel onto it.

Somerville · 10/11/2017 19:10

I agree with that article. And especially:
"Most people, I would hope, can agree on two things: that war is bad, and that we should try to minimise it."
Every person who shrugs off the threat to the GFA as unimportant is complicit in not trying to minimise war.

Lanclain · 10/11/2017 19:20

Has anybody noticed that we haven’t left yet?

shhhfastasleep · 10/11/2017 19:36

Not sure if anyone has noticed but we are already independent.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 10/11/2017 23:14

I agree with that article.

Quelle surprise.

The author shoehorning in the vacuous line “Most people, I would hope, can agree on two things: that war is bad, and that we should try to minimise it” was particularly sick-making.
I cannot think of a single person whom I personally know who thinks anything different. It does not need saying in the company of reasonable people, it’s a given.

Wrt to the notion that a vote to leave the EU equals not giving a shit about the GFA - well that’s just bollocks, quite frankly. Just as bollocks as stating that Leave voters ‘shouldn’t bother wearing poppies’.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 10/11/2017 23:29

I would be delighted if this means we will see far more Jaguars and Range Rovers on our roads (and on roads around the world) than Mercs and BMWs.

Because buying Indian cars is better for the UK economy than buying German cars?????

Somerville · 10/11/2017 23:53

I know a fair few people who are warmongers, sadly, faith. It's very far from a given.

And if you were still addressing me with a vote to leave the EU equals not giving a shit about the GFA - reread my post. I didn't say that. I said that those who dismiss the GFA as unimportant are complicit. Plenty of people who voted remain have told me that they don't think the GFA should be taken into account in negotitiations, because it's not fair on their own regions for the north of Ireland to be treated differently, apparently. And whilst some leavers actively want things to go badly for the island of Ireland, to somehow vindicate Brexit, many leavers just don't have a clue about the GFA and don't realise that it is instrinsically linked to EU membership. The former are complicit in warmongering. The latter don't understand, which is okay. I didn't understand every nuance about every aspect of Brexit before I decided how to vote, either.

MelodyvonPeterswald · 11/11/2017 06:39

DontMakeMeShushYou

Because buying Indian cars is better for the UK economy than buying German cars?????

A car built in Coventry contributes to funding the NHS. A car built in Munich does not.

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