Where do you realistically think we go from here?

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So Amber Rudd says 'no deal is unthinkable' and David Davis says the opposite.

DD also says we'd only agree to a transition period if the terms of our deal were known before hand.

The EU are still insisting the 3 priorities are addressed before talks can move to trade so basically we're at a stand off.

Something has to give at some point.

Regardless of what you want to happen, what do you think will actually happen.

I think we will walk away from the talks, all hell will break loose when the repercussions of that come to the fore and we'll end up staying in the EU in some capacity but in a much weaker position than before.

The only thing dampening my Leave enthusiasm is the nagging suspicion that politicians on all sides are still trying not to
This is exactly what my DH feels, Howabout.

prettybird has an interesting reading of the leaked memo from German business (well, actually, German Foreign Ministry). I'd be interested to hear any other opinions on it?

Hump's got the hump

FlowerPot, perhaps you should post a short clip of you dancing a jig to convey a sense of euphoria?
Maybe that will sate Humps’s desire for ‘proof’.

Or do some side kicks & punch the air - in the style of Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins?

Wasn't it interesting that the EU didn't in any way shape or form condem the violence of the police during the Catalonia referendum.

This is because this is how they will deal with dissent in the future.

I didn't have a desire for proof- flowerpot did.

I thought there wasn't much excitement about March 2019.

Clearly the leavers I spoke to, the change in tone in the debate and the surveys I saw, were NOT representative and many leavers are still as misty eyed and jubilant as ever.

My apologies to you all.

I dunno why but I thought I read that you regretted your leave vote Michael

My mistake.

Humpsfor20yards

Yes you did ask for evidence.

Could you link to some celebration events, flowerpots? I'd love to go.
So no mounting excitement then? No parties or celebration events?

You have posted repeatedly that you have not seen or heard manifestations of excitement in Leavers that satisfy your benchmark of being suitably excited enough.

I give you a personal example, and you respond rudely. I ask again, what is your problem?

the only comment on it from a remainer was that apparently it’s not news at all

faith the response (admittedly not from me) was that it wasn't proposing a full free trade but one based on our adherence to the regulations i.e. The 4 freedoms.

Let's see what Merkel et al actually say today and tomorrow

I dunno why but I thought I read that you regretted your leave vote Michael

I stated I'd spoil my ballot paper if I had to vote again. No regret as such but dismay at how events have unfolded since the vote.

The only thing dampening my Leave enthusiasm is the nagging suspicion that politicians on all sides are still trying not to

That's always been the problem though.

There has never been sufficient appetite to make robust plans which would make leaving actually work.

It's why many of us felt there was no choice but to remain because there was no sensible process for leaving.

It's why many of us felt there was no choice but to remain because there was no sensible process for leaving

You remind me of Homer Simpson, "if a jobs too hard to do then it's not worth doing"

I have apologised and I have retracted my opinion: Leavers are very, very excited about march 2019.

I apologise if my initial apology did not go far enough. To say leave voters were not excited about March 2019 was quite awful of me.

To ask for links for celebrations as evidence of mounting excitement was most unnecessary and strange.

So no mounting excitement Michael?
Ah well.

Sorry, that should read "that reminds me of a quote from Homer Simpson"

I do love the Chinese whispers. I'd love to see a link to a leaked memo from German businesses . What was posted up last night was a leaked memo from the German Foreign Ministry - not the same thing at all

In fact the BDI's task force is currently preparing for a hard Brexit because of the confusion emanating from the UK and the head of the BDI warns about the ill-will towards the UK and making the point that while 7.5% of German exports go to the UK, and they were not going to piss off the other 92.5% by encouraging the EU to give the UK a preferential deal.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-germany-industry/german-industry-group-preparing-for-hard-brexit-idUKKCN1BH1LF

https://www.ft.com/content/20ba2488-861e-11e6-8897-2359a58ac7a5

Why does Humpsfor20yards remind me of someone else? 🤔

I'm considering donning a leotard and ballet pumps to communicate my apathy via the medium of pilate poses

Humpsfor20yards
I have absolutely no doubt that you behave like this in real life. You must be a nightmare to be around.

Cold hands, Humpster?

Frozen, M4Dad.

There's no conspiracy. I forgot my password.

Still punching those elites in the face and denying the rise of price of butter?

I think there will be some sort of half-arsed deal that leaves all sides feeling unhappy about the whole thing. UK will remain divided on the issue and the government will use that to impose more destructive policies on us, and the media will distract the general public by any means necessary. that's how it seems to be going at the moment and I don't see why it would change.

it wasn't proposing a full free trade but one based on our adherence to the regulations i.e. The 4 freedoms.

Adherence to regulations does not equal signing up to the four freedoms.

Being a member of the single market equals that, yes, but not adhering to regulations.

You are conflating two different things.

You remind me of Homer Simpson, "if a jobs too hard to do then it's not worth doing"

Not at all m4 but if you fail to prepare then prepare to fail.