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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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LurkingHusband · 03/10/2017 18:34

I wonder if it is referring to this theory that Shakespeare was Italian

It's counter the the Brexit narrative, of course, but England C16 could probably have held it's head high in terms of cosmopolitan multiculturalism. What with Elizabeth I hobnobbing with Muslim ambassadors and all that.

Proving again that ignorance of history allows the boldest of lies to flourish.

Any reasonably educated citizen of London would have easily had access to the knowledge to describe Italy. Why can't we accept Shakespeare was an educated - if not formally - Englishman ?

Cailleach1 · 03/10/2017 19:28

^And he suggested that the UK's best days lay ahead once it left the European Union.

"We can win the future because we are the party that believes in this country and we believe in the potential of the British people.
"We are not the lion. We do not claim to be the lion. That role is played by the people of this country. But it is up to us now - in the traditional non-threatening, genial and self-deprecating way of the British - to let that lion roar."^

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41489674

Sings 'I believe I can fly'. Thinking will make it so. Oh Boris, I don't think you're non-threatening, genial and self-deprecating at all. You do yourself a disservice. Quite the opposite.

DrivenToDespair · 03/10/2017 19:33

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Cailleach1 · 03/10/2017 19:33

Just to say a friend was in Germany for work recently. Came back amazed at the investment in Science and engineering. Said 'they are light years ahead in development and planning for the future'.

RandomlyGenerated · 03/10/2017 19:43

How about that plan for what you're going to do about customs, hey Boris?

Don’t worry - I saw Grayling on Newsnight last night saying that he has all of that in hand, although he’s not prepared to share with the Great British Public what would happen in the event of a No Deal just now.

Guess he hasn’t shared with the Port of Dover either.

Holliewantstobehot · 03/10/2017 20:00

Conservative party member on PM said Boris would make a good leader because he would appeal to the youth vote!? Cant see it myself.

IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson · 03/10/2017 20:49

Did you see the thread How would you feel if your 16 year old DS wanted to become a 'young conservative

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3050007-How-would-you-feel-if-your-16-year-old-DS-wanted-to-become-a-young-conservative

Badders08 · 03/10/2017 20:54

...i didn't post on that thread because my answer would be;
"I would feel like I had failed as a parent"

HashiAsLarry · 03/10/2017 21:05

I gave up on that thread after the second comment on lefties requiring uniformity. You know you won't get anything decent out of that because it comes from a if you're not right, you're left and it displays a complete lack of political understanding.

Fwiw, in their current incarnation and given the cult of my local MP, I'd be very disappointed and feel like a failure if my dc wanted to be young conservatives. And I'm definitely not a leftie.

HashiAsLarry · 03/10/2017 21:59

I'm not really sure where to start on this.

unmarried men are a problem for society says ids

IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson · 03/10/2017 22:10

Haha that speech reads like slapstick.

“And the alternative on the internet, now so readily available, is about abusive sex and low value for women. That is where they will go.

“That’s why, certainly at the bottom end of the income scale, there is such collapse of self-worth among young girls because they see themselves as objects because they are taught from the beginning that is the only way to get a man.”

Shuddering

squishysquirmy · 03/10/2017 22:33

I didn't think my opinion of IDS could sink any lower, until I read your link EmmaWatson

Women as "anchors" for misguided young men, keeping them on the right track, and marriage like "golf course membership".
Bleeuuurgh.

"People join golf clubs and they sign up for the most absurd things that you have to do, wearing trousers, shoes, all sorts of things"
Eh? Wearing trousers? I do admit that I expect dh to wear trousers when he leaves the house, but I don't think that's terribly absurd. I expected the same when we were mere cohabiting partners.

I wonder if the "family breakdown crisis" among lower income groups could have anything at all to do with the increased stress that poverty brings? Surely not, because that would imply that IDS was only fucking things up more when he chose to make those families poorer.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2017 22:47

The EU parliament vote^ that insufficient progress has been made^ was 557 to 92, with 29 abstentions
Not much support there for the UK govt, despite / because of Farage's fury

I wonder whether this will affect May's speech

She might continue the meaningless waffle and patriotic soundbites of sunny uplands - still without a hint of how the Uk is supposed to reach them
or
play to the Brexit gallery - to safeguard her position - and say the UK will not participate in further talks unless these include trade.
This is "calling the EU's bluff": the approach demanded by the Brexit Ultras and which apparently explains DD's behaviour throughout;
Problem: the EU is almost certainly not bluffing

imo, she'll try to string things out, the Micawber strategy: something may turn up
However, she is incompetent enough to crash the talks without meaning to so so.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2017 22:56

IDS is a former Tory leader
DD was originally the front-runner in the 2005 Tory leadership contest, but he made a poor speech and conference and Cameron memorised his to make a much more commanding one.

Boris, Gove, Loathsome, Hunt, Priti Patel are all cabinet ministers

The nastiness isn't fringe: this IS the Nasty Party

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 01:07

Are there no sociopathic depths to which Boris won't sink ?
Evidently not

At a global trade fringe meeting, he said that
a Libyan city could be transformed into the new Dubai once "they clear the dead bodies" away

< thousands of civilians and hundreds of Libyan govt soldiers were killed when Sirte was captured from the Islamic State less than a year ago >

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-libya-dead-body-comments-new-dubai-tory-conference-2017-a7981551.html

"There's a group of UK business people actually, I don't know whether you will have come across this, wonderful guys,
who want to invest in Sirte on the coast, near where Gaddafi was actually captured and executed, as some of you may have seen.

“They have a got brilliant vision to turn Sirte, with the help of the municipality of Sirte, into the next Dubai.
“The only thing they’ve got to do is clear the dead bodies.”

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 01:28

The curious case of MEP Daniel Hannan and the mysterious country walks

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/fake-views-mep-daniel-hannan-says-hes-walking-english-countryside-tweets-picture-vermont-usa/

R North btl on his blog www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86624

"I got the measure of the man when I worked with him face-to-face.
In old-fashioned parlance, he's a wrong 'un.
....
.Most people will tell lies if they need to.
What marks out Hannan is that he is so brazen about it.
For him, lying is a way of life"

IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson · 04/10/2017 06:02

“The only thing they’ve got to do is clear the dead bodies.”

Shock Sad disgraceful.

Badders08 · 04/10/2017 07:16

The man is a disgrace

Badders08 · 04/10/2017 07:19

Charlie brooker expresses it better than me...
twitter.com/charltonbrooker/status/915337490655072256

QuentinSummers · 04/10/2017 08:02

emma that ID'S link is so cringey I've started a thread about in feminism. Bleurgh.

BiglyBadgers · 04/10/2017 08:14

It's OK everyone, May has got a plan to save the Tories. She is going to tell them all to stop being mean to each other, so they should sort it...

Theresa May to tell Tories it's time for Brexit infighting to cease
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/03/theresa-may-to-tell-tories-its-time-for-brexit-infighting-to-cease

HashiAsLarry · 04/10/2017 08:17

bigly is it
Stop being mean to each other, have you all forgotten you're meant to be mean to the poor, disabled and foreigners?

BiglyBadgers · 04/10/2017 08:21

If Johnson and IDS's recent speeches are anything to go by they seem to be doing an admirable job at multitasking at the moment Hashi.

Bearbehind · 04/10/2017 08:25

Boris Johnson has to be trying to get himself sacked to get himself off the Brexit hook.

I wonder where this will all end as he seems to sink to new depths every time he opens his mouth yet TM won't touch him because she doesn't want to have to deal with Brexit without those who caused it.