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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson · 04/10/2017 08:30

QuentinSummers I'll take a look. Yes so cringey and almost like a parody of what an arch conservative and his family would think and look like. Are they emulating America's Christian far right? So weird. And creepy pervy even.

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Peregrina · 04/10/2017 08:41

I read that the vote for Catalan independence was 90% on a 42% turnout. I reckon that this makes it 38% i.e. 1% more than voted for Brexit. Doesn't that make it an overwhelming majority, as we are told that the vote for Brexit was?

Does anyone think that if the Scots IndyRef had been 52/48 that preparations would have commenced forthwith for Independence or would Westminster have stalled and stalled and stalled?

Peregrina · 04/10/2017 08:44

...yet TM won't touch him because she doesn't want to have to deal with Brexit without those who caused it.

Quite right too, IMO - he got the country into this mess, he can help get it out. Except that he behaves as such an idiot that he probably can't.

Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 08:48

US votes against UN resolution condemning gay sex death penalty

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-gay-sex-death-penalty-un-same-sex-relations-human-rights-council-saudi-arabia-iraq-nikki-haley-a7980981.html

Just wow.

On a different note, it is amazing out of 73 MEP's, the ones mainly on tv are the Kippers and Dan Hannan. The 48 others are barely, if ever on. Only one labour guy I sometimes see. Richard Corbett. He is good because he exposes the Kippers about the lies bs they come out with.

Oh and Seb Dance has been on (I saw him only once) since his placard. If you want to influence the EP, then maybe voting for the headbanger extreme right fascist grouping is not going to work. They are going to be (reassuringly) alienated and have the least influence. Fair enough from a continent whose populations suffered greatly in WWII by direct occupation or/and being brainwashed. I think 'never again' is a good move. But the UK does vote these types in the largest party they send.

You can even see below which groupings have the most successes. The Conservatives were in an influential grouping, but left. Some UK parties affiliate with groupings that have quite a lot of influence, but the UK vote in less of these.

britainseurope.ideasoneurope.eu/2014/07/11/britaininep/

ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/the-policy-successes-and-failures-of-uk-meps/

You can't really vote in types of right wing parties who have the least influence (thank goodness) and then bemoan the fact your MEP's don't have much influence.

LewisThere · 04/10/2017 08:56

BigChoc I agree.
In the last few years, there has been too many big names that have been spouting really really nasty things.
The ones we've heard in the last week or so have probably been the worst ever (Johnson, IDS, JMR etc etc).

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 09:33

order-order.com/2017/10/04/so-boris-can-wait-tory-karaoke-in-full/

Last night's Tory Piss Up. Complete with video of Faisal Islam on karaoke singing "So Boris Can Wait".

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 09:36

www.thesun.co.uk/news/4606167/theresa-may-council-houses-announcement/
Theresa May to be the first PM in decades to unveil a major programme to build council houses
In a second popular move, Mrs May will also announce in her speech that she is enforcing her long promised energy price cap

Will believe the council houses one when the foundations are laid.

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 09:38

Tim Bale‏*@ProfTimBale*

How male, how middle-class, how old are party members - and where do they live? Lastest @ESRCPtyMembers data. Feel free to cite! #CPC17

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LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 09:39

Anyone else feel a wry smile flit across their faces at the tack it seems Treeza thinks will work ... appealing to the Tory party to "do their duty by Britain".

Quite aside from the nasty undertones implying dissent is disloyalty to the country, it's a glimpse into the universe she inhabits of cricket matches on the green with cucumber sandwiches (made by the wives).

I think ToryC21 is made of lesser stuff.

BiglyBadgers · 04/10/2017 09:55

Will believe the council houses one when the foundations are laid.

And that sums up the Tory party's problem. May could unveil Corbyn's manifesto with a different logo on, but it won't wash because nobody believes they actually mean it.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 10:13

red I wonder how up to date that chart is and if it relly is of ordinary members
Are 77% of Labour's 700,00 members really ABC1, with average age 53Confused or have I misunderstood something ?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 10:27

I suppose, for the soundbites only, May could promise a totally inadequate sum,
which might mean a few hundred extra council houses,
if it doesn't get reversed by her successor, or promptly cut to fill the Brexit-shaped hole in the public finances.

I've posted how Tory PM Harold McMillan ordered the building of 300,000 council houses per year

So nothing to prevent modern Tories from doing this and returning to One Nation conservatism - except that this would reduce renting profits / property windfalls of much of their core vote

However, SuperMac was a real leader, with a clear program, in charge of a pretty united party;
he used his power & prestige to push through what he believed the country needed
A One Nation conservative, who wanted to look after all the country, not just the more prosperous property owners
(iirc, he won 51% of votes in Scotland)

So nothing remotely like May
< if you noticed clanking sounds at the Tory conference, it may just be SuperMac turning in his grave at the nasty incompetent bunch of chancers that his party has turned into >

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 10:41

I've posted how Tory PM Harold McMillan ordered the building of 300,000 council houses per year

I grew up in Harrow. Which is identikit for parts of Birmingham (arts of Pinner are a stand in for Edgbaston or Harborne); Manchester; Liverpool; Leeds; Bristol; Wolverhampton; Exeter; Southampton; Coventry.

All built in the 1920s and 1930s. millions of houses. (with a score of "George V" pubs, avenues, drives, roads, etc)

THAT'S how you solve a housing crisis.

It seems Golgafrincham "B" Ark has landed in Manchester this week. Anyone need a clean phone ?

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 10:46

However, SuperMac was a real leader, with a clear program, in charge of a pretty united party;

It's comes to something when Harold MacMillan is being touted as what a leader should be Hmm

He sold the Scots down the line with Faslane - and the UK still got shafted by Eisenhower and Kennedy ... mainly because SuperMac believed there was a "special relationship" (there isn't wasn't).

My last memory of "the Mac" (as no one called him Smile) was a speech in the Lords telling Mrs Thatcher off for selling the family silver

FWIW I think there is a distinction between "conservatives" of those days, and the current cunch of bunts for who "Tory" is an appropriate moniker.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 04/10/2017 11:00

*Will believe the council houses one when the foundations are laid.

And that sums up the Tory party's problem. May could unveil Corbyn's manifesto with a different logo on, but it won't wash because nobody believes they actually mean it.*

Because they keep rolling back on commitments..

LucheroTena · 04/10/2017 11:07

IDS is punching for a sweaty upper lipped angry odd bloke.

drwitch · 04/10/2017 11:12

[need a vomit emoticon ] just read some of the comments on that guido fawkes link red oh my f** god -

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 11:40

Todays Private Eye cover:

CONSERVATIVES IN CRISIS

(Picture of BoJo and Treeza)

Boris Johnson: One day I hope to lead the Tory party.
Theresa May: Me too!

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 11:42

Meanwhile, another reason why the US would much rather the UK wasn't in the EU ...

www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/04/commission_refers_ireland_to_court_over_failure_to_collect_13bn_in_tax_from_apple/

The European Commission has referred Ireland to the Court of Justice over its failure to recover illegal tax benefits from Apple worth up to €13bn (£11.5bn).

(contd)

BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 12:15

iirc a few weeks go, a prolific Mumsnet Brexiter had a thread on this, warning of great doom that would come with the nasty EU trying to make multinationals pay tax.
Of course, multimationals won't stay if they have to pay tax and there will be mass unemployment Hmm

I was surprised at an OP being so indignant that big tax-dodgers couldn't do as they please
but even more surprised that other Brexiters - who supposedly voted against the "elite" and for ordinary people - joined in and were grateful that the OP had revealed these important facts to them Hmm

prettybird · 04/10/2017 12:19

Car crash TV while May tries to give a speech with a frog in her throat.

Speech interrupted earlier with a protester delivering her a mocked upP45 (although it's not clear who it was for: Treeza or BoJo).

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 12:30

Ian Dunt‏*@IanDunt*

We might be watching the conference first speech to actually kill a British prime minister's career.
Utterly superficial. Utterly unfair. But given the position she was in, this might actually not be survivable. It's a disaster.

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 12:34

Jane Bradley‏*@jane*__bradley

I can't watch this anymore, it's like an anxiety dream on national television.

Law and policy‏*@davidallengreen*
May losing her voice reminiscent of Health minister John Moore losing his voice once in reply to Robin Cook in Commons.
The timing of the voice loss was politically fatal for John Moore.
Ministerial career over.
Am no fan of May but this is excruciating.

Rhoda Miller‏*@RhodaMiller14*
Nobody is listening to May's speech anymore. All too busy waiting for the next bout of coughing.

Ian Dunt‏*@IanDunt*
This speech, when I remember to actually listen to it, is pitched to centre. But it's like expressing liberal ideas is actually choking her.

All Hail Prime Minister Johnson.
(I still doubt it will be him. It could be worse).

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 12:36

Evening Standard‏ @standardnews

There's a long way to go still. Will the PM be able to finish?

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 12:38

What's with her bracelet? Its a band with picture frames with photos of people in it.

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