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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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BiglyBadgers · 03/10/2017 16:02

This whole conference is basically an extended leadership hustings isn't it. Hmm

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 16:02

Ian Dunt @ iandunt
"New mayor not a patch on the last guy". Think he reused that line from his interminable Telegraph leadership pitch
Oh good. Now Boris doing the "despite Brexit" bit. "It is time to be bold, to seize the opportunities".
Again, Remainers shld watch these speeches to show how they have got under the skin of Johnson, Davis and Fox. The frustration is palpable.

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Peregrina · 03/10/2017 16:05

What was wrong with the EU one...?

'Coz they are furrin! This is just another glorified attempt to bring back the Empire - i.e a deal with the White Commonwealth.

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 16:08

Helen Lewis @ helenlewis
He's doing impressions now, if you want a barometer of how bad a viewing experience this is

Emily Ashton @ elashton
Biggest clap so far for Johnson's call to "be bold" on Brexit, declaring it's "not a plague of boils"

Ian Dunt @ iandunt
"We are the party that believes in this country". Such a tawdry desperate trick to claim ownership of patriotism.
"Let that lion roar." And it ends, like DD speech ended, with this lazy pound-shop patriotism.
But at least it's over, that's important thing. It's over. Until tomorrow.

Tim Shipman @ shippersunbound
If they’re bemoaning his disloyalty the party faithful aren’t showing it now. Cheers and a standing ovation for Bojo

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 16:09

Simon the Stylite @ Sime0nStylites
How do you treat a plague of boils?

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 16:10

This whole conference is basically an extended leadership hustings isn't it.

Yep. Friad so.

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 16:20

Reasons to Remain 1564358

HuffPost UK @ huffpostuk
Jacob Rees-Mogg will 'flee the country' if Conservative Party abandons Brexit
m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_59d3a18fe4b048a443255014/amp

Nice to have the luxury to be able to just go.

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LurkingHusband · 03/10/2017 16:21

Phil Collins (cough)

woman11017 · 03/10/2017 16:27

plague of boils
Can't help with exact words, but think BJ may have referenced immigrant's son, Shakespeare's work, King Lear:
Old man, goes mad, splits up country, enables fascists, Europe (France) saves England from itself. Smile
"Thou art a boil,
A plague-sore an embossèd carbuncle,
In my corrupted blood".

Badders08 · 03/10/2017 16:28

Bojo is a classicist is he not??
Maybe he should reflect on Catalinas fate...

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 16:35

Press association @ pa
#Breaking Royal Mail workers vote overwhelmingly in favour of going on strike in a dispute over pensions, pay and jobs, @CWUnews says

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whatwouldrondo · 03/10/2017 16:36

Sorry not keeping up at all at the moment, life is hectic, but just to fill in on the depths of Boris's ignorance, the old and conservative leaders putting a damper on Cambodia's development as a fairer society, and filling their coffers and those of the their cronies at the expense of the country are ex Khmer Rouge, the genocide left such a vacuum that nobody who was not tainted was there to step up to government. Cambodia has become the new sex tourism centre of Asia (as Thailand has tightened its laws) because the elite of old men are themselves paying $600 dollars (a considerable amount for a poor family, enough to buy a sewing machine or other means of making a living ) for sex with a virgin because they believe it rejuvenates them.

Are these the conservative values Boris and Rees Mogg espouse then? Most of the progressive work to build a civil society and improve access to education, health services etc. is by overseas NGOs, staffed indeed by people who tend to the left and definitely not to Pritti Patels taste.

Sorry needed a rant, pronouncing publicly such gross ignorance and stupidity, clearly not discussed even in passing with all the knowledgeable foreign office staff available to brief him.....

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 16:37

Girona population 100,000 apparently has 50000 on streets today protesting.

Barcelona has 300,000 protestors

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LurkingHusband · 03/10/2017 16:43

plague of boils

Exodus ? Genesis ? One of the plagues of the Pharohs ?

Locusts and first born to follow ?

Badders08 · 03/10/2017 16:44

Raining blood and frogs soon....

LurkingHusband · 03/10/2017 16:50

and frogs

not while Boris has breath ...

woman11017 · 03/10/2017 16:52

Great post whatwouldrondo I didn't know that Khmer Rouge cronies still hold power. Shock Did know that sex slavery is the white man's disease. Thanks for posting it.

Think it's on the list of the ten plagues, listed at the Seder meal, LH jewishfederation.org/images/uploads/holiday_images/39497.pdf

woman11017 · 03/10/2017 17:02

If he regards himself as a classicist he should know all about tragedy.

Westminstenders: Beano or Bust
LurkingHusband · 03/10/2017 17:10

back to Brexit ...

anyone else picked up on the Schrems case ?

Had a couple of people point out that post-Brexit, this is the sort of scrutiny the UK can expect to be found wanting in with the ICO being in the sling.

Gove, being the sort of chap he is, is probably content to settle for pigs ears (is there ever a more apt metaphor for Brexit ?). However, the grown ups will be keen to get - and keep - their hands on peoples personal data.

LurkingHusband · 03/10/2017 17:11

woman11017

That picture ... a Blue Boris. Sounds like something you'd have to see the Dr about privately ...

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 17:26

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/03/spanish-police-issue-plea-reinforcements-saying-catalan-harassment/

A union of Spain’s Guardia Civil called on Tuesday for urgent reinforcements in Catalonia, accusing the government in Madrid of “abandoning” them to “harassment” it said had reached the level of ETA’s heyday.

Amid anger on Catalan streets over the violent police crackdown on Sunday’s banned independence referendum which left almost 900 injured, the Union of Guardia Civil Officers said agents were being “harassed, manipulated and vilified by the citizens that they serve”.

Hundreds of National Police and Guardia Civil officers have been forced to abandon Catalan hotels in the face of protests by local residents, while thousands of demonstrators descended on the National Police headquarters in Barcelona on Wednesday.

“Right now Catalonia is like the Basque Country in 1981,” it said in a blistering statement which claimed they had been “abandoned to their luck” by government “inaction” and “betrayed” by “disloyal” Catalan police, the Mossos d’Esquadra.

and

The Guardia Civil union, however, said the government must “look after them, or pull them out”.

Rumour is that military ships with hundreds of plain clothed police just arrived...

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DrivenToDespair · 03/10/2017 17:39

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BiglyBadgers · 03/10/2017 17:48

I just went back and read some of those comments driven. They are all really obsessed with marxist socialism. Do you think someone should tell them that Corbyn's manifesto is barely glancing in the direction of actual socialism? Though it might ruin all the fun they are having ranting about reds under the bed. Hmm

Icantreachthepretzels · 03/10/2017 17:55

BJ may have referenced immigrant's son, Shakespeare's work

I've seen Shakespeare's heritage referenced before on these threads, but I can't find anything to back it up. John and Mary Shakespeare seem to have come from Snitterfield, as did their parents.

Though I imagine they were considered immigrants by the people of Stratford when they dared to move there, with their backwards Snitterfield ways, taking their jobs, driving down wages Grin

Not important I know, but researching Shakespeare gave me 10 minutes respite from the horrors of brexit.

BiglyBadgers · 03/10/2017 17:59

I wonder if it is referring to this theory that Shakespeare was Italian pretzels, though it sounds a bit tenuous to me.

www.shakespeare-online.com/biography/shakespeareitalian.html

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