Westministers: May Shares the Cake

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May's Speech Abbreviated:

We still have nfi how we are going to do this. EU this is your fault. You sort it out. We are too lazy, workshy and fighting like high school children to work it out ourselves. Be our whipping boy.

I support democracy as long as I get to do whatever I like
I support human rights as long as I can ignore them when I like.
I support the rule of law except when it doesn't suit my agenda.

Waffle waffle.

"Creative", "Dynamic" PR for my Premiership.

Waffle waffle

We really need policing cooperation, PLEASE keep it with us. I know I threatened to withdraw this, but I'm sorry, I was wrong and a bit of a dick about this.

Gets to the point FINALLY.

"2 year transition period"

(With another time bomb lock which is still too short for IT departments. Nothing to do with the next general election, honest).

RULE BRITANNIA!

Polite Applause.

thanks BCF just read an interesting piece on them. Could be useful for watching the 'negotiations'.
www.dw.com/en/what-sets-germanys-liberal-fdp-apart/a-40001366

Itt was often suggested before today that the SPD should go into opposition -
both to rebuild and because it was expected that otherwise the AfD would be the largest opposition party.

Sorry, BCF , it sucks though, we're all in it together, though.
So glad my late MIL is not witnessing this.

BBC news has just announced that Labour party delegates have voted not to hold a debate or vote on Brexit - isn't this the second year running that they've totally backed away from discussing it ? Lurking, I am sharing your pain.

Pippa Crerar @PippaCrerar**
Astonishing that Labour conference has decided not to debate/ vote on Brexit. If you don't talk about an issue, doesn't mean it goes away!

Heidi Alexander‏Verified account @heidi_mp

I am gobsmacked. How can @uklabour not have a full & proper debate on #Brexit policy at #Lab17? We will be a laughing stock.

Bad news for UK Brexit - FDP tradionally very hardline wrt Uk concessions and have hardline on any Brexit deal.

I don't have to vote Labour. I've never voted by rosette, but pragmatically.

And if we are going to be fucked over by Brexit, with Labours complicity, then Labour don't deserve a candle.

Stewarts Lees comment on Labours voting for welfare cuts with "all the conviction of a dog running away from it's own farts" rings true still.

I was only joking this morning that it didn't feel like autumn as we haven't had the yearly re-election of jc as leader.
Wasn't really expecting the fall out to be this. Though not surprised either.
I wonder if Chappers will have enough sway to pull in some defections.

As these forums will note, I have never trusted Corbyn. Seems my spidey senses are still working

I am also annoyed by labour not even discussing Brexit at the conference. It is stupid and shortsighted. As I have said before I genuinely believe Corbyn just doesn't care about brexit either way. He will take it or leave it and doesn't view it as important. This is an increasingly ridiculous standpoint. I had also expected better from Starmer who had struck me as quite sensible on brexit.

I think Zoe Williams made a good point about the Labour Brexit thing: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/24/labour-emotional-brexit-jeremy-corbyn-single-market

Good article rhu

@faisalislam
Brexit discussed/ indirectly voted on last year's Labour conference - setting this, oft forgotten policy view, incl on 2nd referendum

@faisalislam

... My take: This divide in Labour on single market is more tactical/ strategic/ timing related than it is philosophical or theological

Nick Boles MP @ nickboles
Thanks to proportional representation far right will supply more than 10% of German MPs. We can be grateful our system excludes extremists.

Simon Tilford @ simontilford
Worth keeping in mind that Conservative Party policy on refugees is close to that of #AFD and a million miles away from that of the #CDU.

Stefano Fella @ fellastef
Also worth remembering that the Conservative party were happy to sit in the same European Parliamentary group as the AfD until last year

What Kate did next:

RT UK @ RTuknews
Labour MP for Vauxhall and Eurosceptic @KateHoeyMP accuses the BBC's #Brexit coverage of undermining Britain.

George Turner @ Georgenturner
@VauxhallLabour MP Kate Hoey on a Russian state-backed propaganda channel to accuse the BBC of bias.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2017/09/freezing-immigrants-bank-accounts-makes-britain-look-more-and-more

So freezing immigrants bank account makes the uk look more ne more dystopian.
Maybe it's time to actually use the proper words.
It's not just dystopian (which we all just assimilate to books and NOT to reality). The more appropriate words are totalitarian and fascist.
But those words aren't used. They bring us all back to reality. A reality we don't want to see/know.

I am sensing absolute horror at this result in German press.

Tory and UKIP collaborators need to be outed for provided cover for AFD.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/revealed-the-right-wing-alternative-for-germany-afd-neo-nazi-manifesto-targeting-single-mothers-and-a6939941.html

Revealed: the neo-Nazi manifesto targeting single mothers and mentally ill that AfD doesn't want you to see

Alternative Fur Deutschland has been attracting voters as though it were a mainstream party. But a leak of its policies - including targeting the mentally ill and single mothers - has exposed the scale of its extremism

These are not lazy lardy old white men who can't be bothered to go on an EDL march in Essex.

They're not neo Nazis either, they're just the same old terrorist fascists.

Organising with fascists in this country's government and the few reported fascists found to have even been even found in this country's armed services.

That EDL not march is a thing of beauty. Outflanked 5 to 1 but protesters too. Made my day.

I agree EverythingWillBeGreat I am calling it out now. 'Dystopian' fictionalises it.

So the way I see it there are four basic stances a party could take on Brexit.

1. Don't do it
2. EEA/EFTA/Norway etc
3. A bold, open and creative bespoke relationship
4. No deal

All of them are problematic for reasons that are well rehearsed here and elsewhere. So which is it to be?

How is the AfD leaked manifesto, really that different from many of the policies that the DUP / Conservative MPs favour?

Exactly red

Let us hope that the extra publicity now afforded to AfD shows people what they are really like. So much of what I have read about them, appealing e.g. to the 'left behind' in the old E Germany, is reminiscent of UKIP. But UKIP is now collapsing in the UK - sadly in part because the Tories have embraced their policies, but at the local councillor level, because their infighting and shambolic behaviour has shown them up for what they are, and that in fact they can't offer what they promise.

Another question there.
You know how banks will carry out checks to see if they think you are 'overstaying'.
The wording is that you will then have to prove that you can stay legally in the uk.
As an EU citizen, how can you easily prove that??? There is no visa to show, no card showing residency or anything.
So how are we going to be able to prove to a bank that indeed, we are staying legally in the UK???

I can see a system where accounts could be blocked and then having to spend months and months going wo whist you are 'regulating' your situation with the HO