Westministers: May Shares the Cake

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May's Speech Abbreviated:

We still have nfi how we are going to do this. EU this is your fault. You sort it out. We are too lazy, workshy and fighting like high school children to work it out ourselves. Be our whipping boy.

I support democracy as long as I get to do whatever I like
I support human rights as long as I can ignore them when I like.
I support the rule of law except when it doesn't suit my agenda.

Waffle waffle.

"Creative", "Dynamic" PR for my Premiership.

Waffle waffle

We really need policing cooperation, PLEASE keep it with us. I know I threatened to withdraw this, but I'm sorry, I was wrong and a bit of a dick about this.

Gets to the point FINALLY.

"2 year transition period"

(With another time bomb lock which is still too short for IT departments. Nothing to do with the next general election, honest).

RULE BRITANNIA!

Polite Applause.

As my tech won't let me upload the pic

twitter.com/omid9/status/911250519909421056
Pic is a cheeky readers letter on narrow 'landslides'

Pic is a cheeky readers letter on narrow 'landslides'

As usual, humour masks a serious point.

The behaviour of the UK over such a narrow "win" can only bolster other factions to attempt the same.

Maybe the 51% majority of females should have 100% of the say in politics. After all it's the will of the people

Here is the image/letter that Hashi was referencing, from Omid Djalili's tweet.

It is after all the will of the people. The majority has spoken.

PeteNorth @ petenorth303

1. Let me spell this out. The EU polices its outer frontier. On Brexit, NI border becomes part of that frontier. We become a third country
2. We do not want a hard border. That means we request that the EU does not police its frontier.
3. This is instigated by leaving the EU - this is at our request. It is we who do this to ourselves - moving outside the frontier.
4. So we have to devise a model for NI governance that allows the EU to refrain from policing its border.
5. If we choose to diverge from existing regulatory regime and allow imports at differing standards then EU border is compromised.
6. EU cannot make exceptions to its third country controls - they are uniform throughout, so it must police the border.
7. So if the border is to stay unpoliced we need to agree to match regulatory regimes and have a means of controlled consultative divergence
8. So we have to propose those systems. We have to propose something the EU can agree to so it does not have to enforce borders.
9. Its not as simple as just leaving and agreeing not to have a border. The single market is a defensive system.

10. If we are choosing to be outside of that system without agreement, therefore threatening its integrity, then border must be controlled. 11. So if we don't want that we have to spell out how our outer controls and trade deals do not threaten theirs. 12. This must be agreed in advance and as the petitioner the onus is on us. We have to conform to EU stipulations & they cannot bend to UK. 13. It is petulant to suggest that we be able to do exactly as we please and it being EU's decision to enforce its border. 14. EU cannot be expected to re-engineer its third country controls for the sole benefit of UK or turn a blind eye to UK divergence. 15. If we choose not to have a consultative system, then a border is a consequence of our choices. 16. This is what constrains us post-Brexit. That nebulous absolute sovereignty was never achievable. Exists nowhere in the modern world 17. This is one of the trade offs we always had to examine and every decision has ramifications on the next. 18. Complaining that the EU will police its borders if we choose the path of unilateralism is playing the victim. 19. This is what we now call a "Liliconian Inversion" - the belief that the world revolves around us and the EU has to bend to our whims. 20. When the thinking is that warped there is no possibility of explaining this reality to them, so really fuck this, I'm off to the seaside 21. If this thread isn't clear enough, just forget responding. You are never going to get it.

Pete, you voted Leave. NI was my argument for so many reasons BEFORE the vote. Brexit was never compatible with NI. No one wanted to talk about it then. And they don't want to talk about it now. Instead NI has always been the elephant in the room which will decide every thing. And still no one wants to propose a serious way to deal with NI.

Until we start hearing something substantial on NI it's hard Brexit all the way. With a hard border.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/24/edl-march-cancelled-just-six-people-turn/
EDL march cancelled after just six people turn up

EDL march cancelled after just six people turn up

You have to wonder what the world is coming to, if the EDL can't even get more than 6 supporters in Essex ?

You have to wonder what the world is coming to, if the EDL can't even get more than 6 supporters in Essex labour target seats
Whereas in Brighton:

Rumours of low turnout in Germany, anyone got any news?
Like this tweet:

@DIEZEIT
Ab jetzt auf dem Account @ZEITmagazin am Start: @MichaelOThumann, mein Kollege aus'm ZEIT-Hauptstadtbüro. Wir twittern bis die Daumen glühen

We tweet until our thumbs glow.

Good interview on Radio 4 World at one today, with German journalist.
AFD is strong in the old subsidised eastern Germany, but creepily in the same places that Nazism first got a stronghold. If HO is keen on stopping undesirables in to this island, hope they will make an example of Farage, and keep him out indefinitely.

Although Jacinda Adern's not won in NZ, kudos to her trouncing sexist reporting, and turning the NZ labour vote up and up after a really low start.

Matthew Karnitschnig‏ @MKarnitschnig

Key metric to look at tonight in German election is voter turnout. Lower turnout will help #AfD, which has been mobilizing. #BTW17

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-elections-2017-live-updates-latest-news-angela-merkel-cdu-polls-votes-martin-schultz-close-a7963876.html

This is saying:
Early signs suggest urban voters turning out to contain far-right

I'm not convinced by that. I'm quite worried actually.

Early Exit Poll due in about 4 mins I believe.

If polls are accurate it(afd ) is expected to garner between 60 and 85 parliamentary seats.

SPD on 20% on CDU 32% afd on 13.5%

Europe Elects @europeelects

Germany, ARD exit poll:

CDU/CSU-EPP: 32.5%
SPD-S&D: 20%
AfD-ENF: 13.5%
FDP-ALDE: 10%
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 9.5%...

Merkel was hoping for 36% I understand.

Could be worst SPD result since WW2.

@DIEZEIT

Was für ein Desaster für #Merkel und die #CDU

I am also cross about Labour lh
Who do remainers vote for? It's so ridiculous, I feel like we have been chucked under a bus...

Christian Odendahl @COdendahl
This is a disaster for the #SPD. Cannot see them joining another grand coalition with Merkel, members will revolt. #BTW2017

This is what happens when we don't join hands across the parties to oppose fascists, they get in.

We need to unite here too, labour/ liberals/green/ SNP.

There is no choice now, here and across the west.

Internecine fighting between the non fascist, non ultra right parties is a luxury we can't afford.

However, I am cheering an anti racist German conservative lady of 63 winning the most votes, and having saved the lives of a million refugees. Even in these times.

Very strong showing for Merkel's preferred coalition partner, FDP

• iirc, they didn't make the 5% cutoff for Parliamentary seats last time and struggled the GE before that

Bad news for UK - FDP tradionally very hardline wrt Uk concessions and have hardline on any Brexit deal.

SPD may decide against coalition, to rebuild as main opposition
Likely CDU / CSU coalition with FDP and Greens

Your poll omitted die Linke (to left of SPD)

Thanks BCF

BBC just mentioned a poll putting CDU on 33% SPD on 21%.
Stunning that she has still won, though. Interesting on FDP, BCF.

I have ein wenig schadenfreude at FDP conservatives will be shafting the english torykips.

In another time would FDP be matey with english conservatives?

That looks higher for Die Linke?

The 20% score of the centre-left Social Democrats (SPD) 20.0 is a new new post-war low and the party has formally ruled out the possibility of a new “grand coalition” with the Christian Democrats: deputy leader Manuela Schwesig has said the party will go into opposition.

An alternative coalition for Merkel would be a three-way tie-up with the liberal Free Democrats (FDP) and the ecologist Greens. This is a combination that has not yet been tested at national level and known as the “Jamaica” option because the three parties’ colours are those of the black-gold-green Jamaica national flag.

The SPD’s decision also means the AfD will not be the official party of opposition in the Bundestag
is that a ?

FDP = conservative on economy, butt the most liberal socially- gay rights etc
A bit like Gideon, but even they hold to the "social contract" and cooperation like works councils

Here's one assessment:

Yascha Mounk‏*@Yascha*_Mounk
First reaction to the German results: a big clusterf*ck! 1/n
As expected the far-right AfD came out third, with a very strong showing at 13-14%. Nothing like it since WWII. This is a turning point. 2/
The SPD is continuing its slow descent into irrelevance. 20% is disastrous after high hopes in spring. Social democrcay is dying. 3/
Angela Merkel has been reelected for 4th term. A remarkable achievement. But she did not do as well as she will have hoped. 4/
More importantly, it's far from clear how Merkel will assemble a governing coalition. 5/
Merkel was hoping for a traditional coalition between CDU/CSU and FDP. She came up short. 6/
Merkel would probably have been fine with a new-fangled coalition between CDU/CSU and Greens. She came up short. 7/
Merkel would be happy to continue a (not-so-grand) coalition with SPD. But SPD will be VERY resistant to that given its poor showing... 7/
So there's now basically two options: 1) a continuatoin of the grand coalition which will sap even more strength from SPD. Bad result. 8/
Or 2) a so-called "traffic light coalition" between CDU/CSU, FDP and Greens. This now seems to me like likeliestand best (?)outcome. 9/
Correction: as pointed out by friendly tweeps, I of course mean a "Jamaica" coalition, not a traffic light coalition.
But it's not without its risks: It'll strengthen populist claim that establishment parties are all the same anyway. 10/
And because of the FDP's unwillingness to compromise with Southern Europe, it would basically stop any real EU reform. 11/
So there's lots of interesting implications here. But the first and last thought today must be about the AfD. 12/
A far-right extremist party did very, very well in Germany tonight. So, no, Germany was not immune. No country is immune. 13/
The populist turn continues. We are still in danger of sliding into a populist age. This is no time for complacency. 13/13