Westminstenders: The Maddest of May and Boris's Dare

[RedToothBrush]

Boris Johnson just dared May to fire him.

That's what his little rant about £350 million buses is.

Meanwhile its been pointed out that HMRC literally are incapable of handling a no deal and can only cope with an EEA / EFTA deal with no tariffs.

And given how good and on time the government are with computer systems even in a best case scenario are extremely unlikely to crack it in time.

Which makes Hammond's talk of a civil contingence plan, look, well half arsed and lacking.

We also wouldn't have planes able to fly to Europe under a no deal as we would no longer be part of Open Skies. This could leave thousands stranded. But no biggie there.

Meanwhile if the Leave Alliance have things right, May is about to serve our one year notice on leaving the EEA making all these things a reality.

Which is less like shooting yourself in the head and more like shooting yourself in the head, chest, foot, arm, leg and face (for a second time), whilst being run over at the same time.

But hey, Boris Johnson has it sussed in his 10 point plan. Especially the point where he says Brexit will be a success.

If you call success ending democracy, becoming a dictatorship, starving everyone, bankrupting the country and causing civil unrest.

Rule Britannia.

Oh noes, Remoaners are (gasp) moaning! And not cheerful! And gosh they are so rude! And when all else fails, they're simply too dim to have understood the deep and meaningful nuggets of wisdom being bestowed upon them!

RTB
RedToothBrush Sun 17-Sep-17 10:55:01
BUT LOOK IMMIGRANT. ONE OF THOSE NASTY ONES NOT ONES LIKE ME.

I was led to believe that you are the doyenne of the MN Remain lobby, the heroine and saviour to all Remainers in their desperate hour of need - and yet the very best you can do is to use words that I have never used and argue against them? Isn't that what's called a Straw Man?

I am in favour of immigration. We need immigration from all over the world because we have an aging population, longer life expectancy and declining birth rates. We need immigrants from wherever we can find them (regardless of their race, religion, creed or colour). We should not limit ourselves to 27 countries just because of an accident of geography. However, we need to be able to put sensible and fair controls on numbers and specify the kinds of skills we need to bring into this country. Opening up doors for unlimited numbers of unskilled workers has a massive impact on wages, infrastructure and allows employers to make greater profits by not training younger people from the host nation.

Yep.Interesting, ain't it. Time's money and all that. Think I know which posts had them scrambling to cover the shift too.

Wah wah wah, I'm just a poor little misunderstood oppressed victim of Remoaner bullying... ...

Shame they've cut down the pay to peanuts.

'Tolerant' Britain
@caroljhedges
Tx. Man rang #bbcaq yesterday saying all people whose parents came here from abroad, however long ago, should be re-patriated. Host closed

Someone I knew used to be a university lecturer.

He used to do a task with his students. He would get them to go to the job centre in a rough area of the city and make a note of all the jobs available. Then he asked them to work out how people at that job centre would get to those jobs and how much it would cost them and what money they would have left after that.

The results always shocked the students.

The government in this country has for many years pursued policy which removed social responsibility. If it wasn't profitable it should be axed. Without thought to the consequences. This was not an action that was driven by the EU. Planning was lead by the profit of developers and wasn't about providing appropriate housing for people and building communities that were functioning. Again this wasn't the fault of the EU.

Into this void and because there were labour shortages came migrants. They could only step into a void because the void was created and Brits were unable to compete because they were socially disadvantaged. Instead of making sure that social disadvantage didn't exist by investing in people, the government made those issues worse through austerity.

Then those people were labelled as lazy and not worthy of the investment to reduce that social disadvantage. Things like Remploy were axed because they weren't profitable - but nothing tangible was put in place to help disabled people in mainstream work places. Instead these people were deemed too able to qualify for benefits. And their transport removed from them, making it even harder to access the same things as the advantaged.

It was the immigrants fault. All of it. The EU forced the immigrants upon on. How dare they say we should have social responsibility and rights. No we should get rid of rights. That will teach these lazy Brits and it will drive out the EU migrants.

Of course this won't change the underlying problem.

Those people who can't afford to get to a job and don't have the skills to do a job and they don't have the ability to get the skills to get a job because they have no money to get to places to get these skills and businesses hammered by an exit from the EU and having WTO tariffs and paperwork imposed on them at huge cost can't afford to keep the staff they have, much less train up new ones.

But yes. IMMIGRANTS AND THE EU.
Not a wholesale failure of social responsibly in government policy making, because putting money in tax off shore is good for business.

Something that the EU want to crack down on. With new tax evasion measures coming into force in March 2019....

Hmmmmm.....

Its ALMOST as if there is a collective blind spot for Brexiteers and a weird force driving the government to push through Brexit at high speed at any cost.

But EU Superstate. EU Army. Bad EU. Nasty EU with their human rights and ideal of citizens rights enshrined in European Citizenship (which doesn't exist of course and is a figment of the imagination because you can't enter it on a US landing card). Without a whisper of the British Veto which ironically Brexit kills.

How dare you use words I haven't used but shut up whilst I accuse people of saying things they never said.
Oh and you must listen whilst I continue my completely faceless sound bites and if you don't you're just horrible.

Factless, thanks autocorrect

"1. Clarify what exactly they do want"
Remain in the EU?

"It's a fairly basic process to get people to act like mature adults with choices. Works on children. Even works on pets."

And don't forget visualisation. And magic spells.

Kilgore
You asked me the "so what keeps you here?" immediately below quoting me giving Badders some useful reasons to hold an Irish passport. I wasn't saying I was desperate to leave the U.K., I merely identified myself as Irish. And your response was what's keeping you here?.

I'm 'kept here' by virtue of being born in the UK; it's my home. Hundreds of thousands - actually, getting close to a million, of other people are also Irish-born-in-UK. And every time someone asks us what's keeping us here it is a clear refusal to acknowledge our equal claim, as RC's, to the territory of the north of Ireland as Protestants, our right to be recognised as Irish as enshrined in the Belfast agreement, and our right to live free from further political, economic and religious discrimination.

It was the immigrants fault. All of it. The EU forced the immigrants upon on

I disagree. Low-paid, low-skilled workers end up being the pawns played by big corporations, employers and protectionist political regimes.

The large transnationals love the idea of having a seamlessly endless supply of workers from economies with 12-25% youth unemployment who are willing to do the same work for a fraction of what you would have to pay local workers. Interestingly (despite FOM), Germany and France are so much more stringent than we ever were about what the Free in Freedom of Movement actually meant.

The fact that we attract so many people from Spain, Portugal, Italy, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria is something that makes me proud. I travel all over Europe and you see far more European migrants in London than you do in Brussels, Frankfurt, Paris, Milan or Rome.

This is a good thing and tells you the United Kingdom is not all that bad.

But, as I said, unlimited numbers are not sustainable.
I honestly don't think we would have been in this position had the Blair government chosen to use the powers it had to control numbers back in 2004 (much in the way that Belgium did right from the start).

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I note that the "oh so clever" so he/she thinks visitor chooses to ignore my link detailing exactly what EU citizenship is. Because that doesn't for into his/her fiction belief that it doesn't exist.

Yay for the return of serfdom. Yay for the Workhouse. Yay for the Lunatic Asylum. Yay for the Food Banks. Yay for cracking down on immigrants. Yay for making university get rid of their cash mountains universities. Yay for making strikes illegal. Yay for the biggest NHS budget in history. Yay for more people in prison and there being a crack down on cushy prison enviroments. Yay for cracking down on freedom by blaming the internet for pushing an extremist agenda. Yay more places for nurses to study. Yay for reducing the fees students will have to pay. Yay for Grenfell showing the spirit of the community. Yay for free childcare for all. Yay for the Daily Fail and the Faily Telegraph.

Yay for the blame culture and the 'its not my problem, if only they worked harder and were better people' blinkers. Why don't they just use their 'other money' mentality.

IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson Sun 17-Sep-17 11:24:15
"1. Clarify what exactly they do want. Remain in the EU? Good luck with that.

It's a fairly basic process to get people to act like mature adults with choices. Works on children. Even works on pets.
And don't forget visualisation. And magic spells

Visualisation has been shown to be a powerful help in achieving goals. Sports people use it all the time. You should visualise Junkers being President of the Unified European Single State

I will visualise something else.

pretty if it contains facts, then there's no point. Unless you could edit it to look like a DM column?

"You should visualise Junkers being President of the Unified European Single State"

KilgoreTroutV Are on glue?

Enough with the derailing.

Next time you go to the USA and you are completing your ESTA declaration, try writing "European" in the box marked "Citizenship". Let me know if that works for you.

Next time my DB flies in, I'll ask him to write "Texan" in the box marked "citizenship".

It's a two way-street, which incidentally US citizens totally "get" for some reason ....

This is a good thing and tells you the United Kingdom is not all that bad

Misses the point that this UK will no longer exist. It has ceased to exist. Brexit crushes it. And this is why people want to leave. To chase that dream and ideal that was snuffed out. The principles of democracy and openness to the world.

Instead its replaced by a close-minded vision that insists its still attractive to a bunch of people who are literally saying 'fuck this for a game of soldiers' and leaving or want to leave.

driven Cummings has said he could sort £350m for the NHS in about a week. Either it's delusional, theyll happily cripple other services for it or the magic money tree exists. It won't come in the form of more taxation of course.

My favourite was when 'previous' name asked why we were on mn during the dog days of the school holidays.

You just can't get the staff these days.

Though I appreciate he's not actually an mp nor has any power, the world are enough for the faithful to rejoice

Back to Legatum - I just read their paper on 'the Irish border'. Fucking hell.