Westminstenders: The Maddest of May and Boris's Dare

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Boris Johnson just dared May to fire him.

That's what his little rant about £350 million buses is.

Meanwhile its been pointed out that HMRC literally are incapable of handling a no deal and can only cope with an EEA / EFTA deal with no tariffs.

And given how good and on time the government are with computer systems even in a best case scenario are extremely unlikely to crack it in time.

Which makes Hammond's talk of a civil contingence plan, look, well half arsed and lacking.

We also wouldn't have planes able to fly to Europe under a no deal as we would no longer be part of Open Skies. This could leave thousands stranded. But no biggie there.

Meanwhile if the Leave Alliance have things right, May is about to serve our one year notice on leaving the EEA making all these things a reality.

Which is less like shooting yourself in the head and more like shooting yourself in the head, chest, foot, arm, leg and face (for a second time), whilst being run over at the same time.

But hey, Boris Johnson has it sussed in his 10 point plan. Especially the point where he says Brexit will be a success.

If you call success ending democracy, becoming a dictatorship, starving everyone, bankrupting the country and causing civil unrest.

Rule Britannia.

Are we going to need another gardening thread soon?

Germany and France are so much more stringent than we ever were about what the Free in Freedom of Movement actually meant.
In that case, it means that it's the UK governemnet that should have put heir acts together and be as stringent as Germany or France has been (for our information, there are other countries much more stringent than France. Belgium springs to mind for example. If they think that you will not be able to find work in Belgium with your type of experience, they will send you back to your home country for example)

Saying that the only way to deal with it was to leave the eu is using a sledge hammer to crack a nut and breaking the table at the same time.

Another way to deal with it would have been to use the system in place to ensure that no one was staying 'unlawfully' (aka wo looking for job, etc etc) and then engage with the EU to change some things (such as what France is currently doing to avoid polish people coming over to France for 3 years on a polish contract).

Fwiw people in France are uncomfortable about that idea NOT because they are taking jobs from french people. But because they see that as hugely unfair on the Poles coming over to be forced to work for what would less than the minimum wage.....

Bigly - I was thinking just the same thing!

Here's what I did with the Victoria plums from my garden

I can tell I'm full of angst....im baking!

We can do a companion thread to the food prices one - Brexit survival recipes.

as stringent as Germany or France has been

I don't know where you get the idea that France is "stringent" in this respect. It used to be until around 2004 but this is no longer true.

It is harder to work in France on a foreign contract but this is not specifically a FOM issue, it's a labour law question (i.e. French national law not EU).

I don't know about Germany. Belgium is stricter, by my understanding is that this is limited to a refusal to register people without work - they are not frogmarched out of the country (it's hard to deport EU citizens unless they have a criminal conviction).

Thanks for the new thread, Red.

I love the idea that 'desperately wanting' to leave a restaurant, shop or someone else's house is the same as desperately wanting to leave a country you've always lived, worked and had family and friends in.

An mner called boffinmum has a blog called austerity housekeeping - I recommend it!!

badders is this you?

Hashi - can't edit it as I deliberately posted to the "source", ie the European Commission's own website . But you're right - maybe it would be more "believable" if it were written in DM soundbites

Badders are you me? I also bake to alleviate stress!

Your angst ridden baking is far more successful than mine Badders. I made some soda bread yesterday and it was soggy in the middle. Stress is bad for my baking skills (not that they were all that to begin with)

EmmaWatson Leaver Richard North on his brilliant daily blog keeps warning that Legatum have bought their way into govt
This is his most detailled blog on them:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86556

I made some tablet yesterday and a load of chocolate chip cookies for youth rugby players.

I have a loaf 🍞proving right now

hashi 😂😂😂 yes!!!
Elements glad im not the only one! My floors have also been steamed to within an inch of their lives 😣

Next time you go to the USA and you are completing your ESTA declaration, try writing "European" in the box marked "Citizenship". Let me know if that works for you.

A stupid observation to make. DH went to the States and wrote British on his forms, to have the official cross it out and write English. As it happens he is, but if he'd been Scots, Welsh or N Irish it would have been a different matter.

I knit to relax.

Ice been trying to learn to crochet to make a blanket for an imminent family baby....irs not going well...
The idea was a blanket with love and kisses in every stitch.. .not anger, tears and naughty words 😂

EternalOptimistToo Sun 17-Sep-17 12:22:52

Germany and France are so much more stringent than we ever were about what the Free in Freedom of Movement actually meant.

In that case, it means that it's the UK governemnet that should have put heir acts together and be as stringent as Germany or France has been (for our information, there are other countries much more stringent than France. Belgium springs to mind for example. If they think that you will not be able to find work in Belgium with your type of experience, they will send you back to your home country for example)

I agree with that. But for me, personally, immigration was not the biggest issue. I wanted to leave because of the way the EU was designed, the way it is evolving, the amount of corruption I have seen first hand (in banking and finance linked to agricultural subsidies), the way the Euro is going to completely destroy the economies of south Europe

Prediction for Mays epoch-defining speech:

1. The UK has just checked it's household insurance, and discovered we have legal cover;
2. We've called the number, and submitted all the paperwork;
3. We are now being advised that in fact, reviewing the A50 legislation, it appears that it's the UK that can decide everything to do with Brexit on it's own;
4. Therefore, if the EU wishes to remain within the law of A50, they had better start doing what the UK wants;

Now most readers of this post will know instantly that is a load of old bollocks. However coupled with my previous observations about people who insist on spouting bollocks offering out of date advice, I would characterise this approach as the Brexit equivalent of "you can safely ignore any parking charge letters - they can't take you to court"

Of course such a speech has to be delivered away from the cameras to empower the "nasty EU won't see sense" narrative. It would be hard to spin that if the accompanying footage was of EU ministers having to be medically resuscitated. Not from shock, or being "put in their place", but because it is actually physically possible to hyperventilate from laughter. Personally I think the private speech is overkill. All that would be needed is some fake subtitles to the video. It's not as if Mail and Express readers actually care what's being said anyway. After all: why start now ?

I stand corrected..

"Every person holding the nationality of an EU country is automatically a citizen of the EU. EU citizenship gives every EU citizen a number of important rights"

But EU Citizen is in addition and does NOT replace national citizenship. Internationally, you are still French, German, British whatever and would only be able to write this on your landing card.

LurkingHusband Sun 17-Sep-17 11:38:31

Next time my DB flies in, I'll ask him to write "Texan" in the box marked "citizenship"
It's a two way-street, which incidentally US citizens totally "get" for some reason ....

Well, Texas is a state within the United States (a sovereign country). Texas does not have its own citizenship which would be recognised by other countries. How do I know that? Well, because when Hitler declared war on December 11th, 1941 - he declared war on the United States of America (not on each of the then 48 constituent states).

RhiannonOHara Sun 17-Sep-17 12:43:55
I love the idea that 'desperately wanting to leave' a restaurant, shop or someone else's house is the same as desperately wanting to leave a country you've always lived, worked and had family and friends in

If someone was in your house and they said they desperately wanted to leave, what would you do?

I like the idea of a crocheted blanket of swear words 😂
Not for a baby though obviously

Peregrina - I have written "Scottish" in the past on my ESTA form - and what's more, they let me in