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Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2017 10:55

Brexit is being fought in the UK media and parliament on the premise that the EU is being difficult and obstructive.

The fallacy can not be understated.

What the UK fails to understand is the right of the EU to put their own interests before the UKs. It doesn't under that our demands cannot be met even if the EU wanted to for practical and legal reasons - not political ones because our understanding of the situation and law is so poor.

The net result is the slippage of the next phase of Brexit talks being pushed to Christmas by the EU due to lack of progress by the UK. Barnier is open to more regular and intense talks but this is bad news for the UK with the a50 clock ticking.

The main stumbling block is NI a with Barnier warning not to use the border as a way to test EU resolve. Brexit always about the NI border. The UK have never provided a solution to the EU that does not produce a hard border. The idea being pushed by the UK will create one despite claiming it won't. The reality is the only viable solutions are either staying in the single market and customs union or NI being granted special status and being different to the rest of the country. The former is opposed by the government, the later opposed by the DUP.

The DUP are getting a taste of their own medicine. They have been warned that Assembly Members might have pay frozen and if they don't reform Stormont they won't get their Billion Pound Booty. Plus Ian Paisley Jr just found a new scandal for the party.

May is trying to channel Venezuela by getting rid of democracy when it suits. The Great Repel Bill (aka as the Withdrawal Bill) faces it's challenge. The much feared Henry VIII in clause 9 are not only facing criticism from Remainers but also from the secretive crackpots of Tory Bastard Club (aka ERG). The TBC want hard cliff edge Brexit. May seems to support given her goodwill burning interference at the Home Office which seeks to discriminate against all foreigners and make them sign a register. The visa system and how it will attract much needed staff for the NHS makes the mind boggle.

The Repel Bill also could end the possibility of transition due to clause 6 which requires us to leave the ECJ. Given the May's ambition to make EU citizens display their stars in job applications this is totally unable to the EU. If it passes the chances of transition drop dramatically. Bye bye Smooth and Orderly.

Then there is the May-Bot paradox: the one were she gives a friendly speech to the EU and a nasty on to the Swivel Eyed Loon gathering. As if neither will be reported to the other audience.

On top of this May is attempting the Parliament Rigging Act as she has a 'majority Government'. Yep I know, this is the general election version of 'will of the people'. The Rigging Act seeks to stack parliamentary committees with Tory majorities so they can stop any bill they don't like getting anywhere need the main chamber this limiting the power of opposition to irrelevant. Sadly I think this one will get through due to maths of the HoC atm.

We shouldn't forget the role of the HoL though and the lack of a majority government (why do you think May is saying majority government? It's down to the Sewell convention and trying to make the case it applies when the argument is it doesn't for a minority government).

The other development is the rumours that Boris is for the boot. And Rees-Mogg might get a promotion.

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Somerville · 16/09/2017 18:09

I'd be up for that. Anyone, whatever passport they hold, would be welcome to move to our city state once they've recited Psalm 27 in Latin at our gate -and assuming they can afford our ruinous house prices 😉

KilgoreTroutV · 16/09/2017 18:13

Start a petition! It is bound to halt Br3xit

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 18:14

Nah
I'm taking to the barricades mate

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 18:14

Liberland: Man sets up his own libertarian nation, 160,000 register to become citizens

State's motto is 'to live and let live'

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/man-sets-up-his-own-libertarian-nation-160000-register-to-become-citizens-10195627.html

or just start your own here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Start_Your_Own_Country

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 18:22

Somervile:

You must not refuse a school place simply because of doubts about the child’s immigration status

www.gov.uk/guidance/schools-admissions-applications-from-overseas-children

Re earlier post about EU nationals refused as adoptive parents; it is illegal policy.

@jameschappers @Alexa_Kantor and 7 others
DfE have come back: law has not changed re EU citizens ability to adopt. adoption agency got it wrong. @Elenauk hope we can talk Mon 1/2

Peregrina · 16/09/2017 18:26

It's easy for me to say, because neither school scholarships or adoption have affected me personally, but we have to start challenging this sort of behaviour when we see it.

So far I have decided that I won't fill in any more questionnaires about ethnicity. They were always dressed up as making sure we could comply with equalities legislation, but I always had the fear that it could be used against certain groups. This now appears to be happening.

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 18:26

Home office have lost deportation case

Peregrina · 16/09/2017 18:29

Which deportation case Badders - the one where the man is holed up in a hotel in Kabul, having been banged on planes illegally by the HO? I hadn't realised but this was the same man that a previous Turkish Airlines pilot refused to carry because of the illegality.

What sanction will be taken against Amber Rudd?

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 18:36

Sorry yes

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 18:58

Great, thanks Badders good news.

Rudd and HO need challenging, big time.

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 19:07

More good news:
Public opinion in the UK is changing on immigration
www.markpack.org.uk/151448/ipsos-mori-immigration-polling/

Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?
frumpety · 16/09/2017 19:14

Having spent a significant part of the morning swearing at the radio in my car , I now need your help ?

DH is adamant that the EU will not allow a situation to occur where there are no commercial flights in or out of the UK , I say that at present there doesn't seem to be anything concrete that would make me think otherwise and the government has 18 months to do something .

Any links as to why commercial flights might cease post Brexit ?

SwedishEdith · 16/09/2017 19:32

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/22/airports-call-for-urgent-post-brexit-deal-on-uk-eu-flights

Do you mean this? I believe that if we leave with no deal, there is no deal for flights between EU and UK. Common sense (ha!) says this has to be resolved. How? Watch this space. One place I won't be looking for an answer is Boris Johnson.

RandomlyGenerated · 16/09/2017 19:49

Somerville if challenged, tell them you don't have a passport but you have a UK birth certificate which entitles you to a British passport.

prettybird · 16/09/2017 19:53

frumpety - flights should be the least of your dh's concerns unless you have dual citizenship : someone posted up earlier that unless our government gets its finger out starts getting organised now, even our passports will no longer be recognised throughout the world unless and until they have been formally certified as ICAO compliant (currently done under the block EU-certification. Shock

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 19:57

Frumpety...just had the same argument with dh today!!

TheElementsSong · 16/09/2017 19:58

Did anybody notice that Boris also wrote this today: "I look at so many young people with the 12 stars lipsticked on their faces and I am troubled with the thought that people are beginning to have genuinely split allegiances."

Yes, he too wishes to sink to that depth, already so popular amongst Brexiteers, of accusing anybody who doesn't shut up and disappear, of being an unpatriotic traitor. I guess he didn't want to miss out on the group fun.

DividedKingdom · 16/09/2017 20:03

BoJo is a piece of shit. And I say that a fully paid up member of the National Trust.

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 20:29

What a cockwomble he is

pointythings · 16/09/2017 20:33

Well, I'm hanging onto my shiny Dutch passport and my DDs will be hanging on to both their shiny Dutch passports and their American ones. I will never, never, never,never, never naturalise.

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 20:34

Argument with dh as predicted re Irish passports.
Oh well
He'll get over it

TheElementsSong · 16/09/2017 20:36

Argument with dh as predicted re Irish passports.

What was his objection? ^^

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 20:37

Ha!
Mostly the cost 😁 but he doesnt see the point
He thinks I am over reacting wrt brexit
My own pov is hope for the best but plan for the worst

EternalOptimistToo · 16/09/2017 20:39

pointy can I ask your u why you wouldn't naturalise? Is it because you wouldn't be able to have dual citizenship so would have to choose the British citizenship over the Dutch one. Or is it because you don't want the British citizenship?

Just curious so please don't answer if you don't want to.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/09/2017 20:41

Frumpety It's not just to / from the EU - it's any international civilian flights to / from the UK
(military flights are NOT affected)

The UK has membership of the Open Skies - required for any international flights - only as an EU / EEA member.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/05/no-theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-whole-lot-worse-bad-brexit-deall_

Ryanair have warned UK customers will be unable to book any external flights for return after Brexit date.

Longterm Leaver Richard North is v knowledgeable about such Brexit consequences
(his Flexcit plan for EEA/ EFTA would have avoided the worst)

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=864933_

"That could see the cessation of international flights on Brexit Day,
and only a gradual resumption of services as new deals come into force"

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=866055_

"It would appear that if the UK does walk away from the talks without a deal, for purely administrative reasons
none of our passports will be valid for the EEA on Brexit day and for some time thereafter.

Furthermore, since similar administrative issues might arise with other countries
– not least the United States –
we could find ourselves excluded from other countries for an indefinite period"