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Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2017 10:55

Brexit is being fought in the UK media and parliament on the premise that the EU is being difficult and obstructive.

The fallacy can not be understated.

What the UK fails to understand is the right of the EU to put their own interests before the UKs. It doesn't under that our demands cannot be met even if the EU wanted to for practical and legal reasons - not political ones because our understanding of the situation and law is so poor.

The net result is the slippage of the next phase of Brexit talks being pushed to Christmas by the EU due to lack of progress by the UK. Barnier is open to more regular and intense talks but this is bad news for the UK with the a50 clock ticking.

The main stumbling block is NI a with Barnier warning not to use the border as a way to test EU resolve. Brexit always about the NI border. The UK have never provided a solution to the EU that does not produce a hard border. The idea being pushed by the UK will create one despite claiming it won't. The reality is the only viable solutions are either staying in the single market and customs union or NI being granted special status and being different to the rest of the country. The former is opposed by the government, the later opposed by the DUP.

The DUP are getting a taste of their own medicine. They have been warned that Assembly Members might have pay frozen and if they don't reform Stormont they won't get their Billion Pound Booty. Plus Ian Paisley Jr just found a new scandal for the party.

May is trying to channel Venezuela by getting rid of democracy when it suits. The Great Repel Bill (aka as the Withdrawal Bill) faces it's challenge. The much feared Henry VIII in clause 9 are not only facing criticism from Remainers but also from the secretive crackpots of Tory Bastard Club (aka ERG). The TBC want hard cliff edge Brexit. May seems to support given her goodwill burning interference at the Home Office which seeks to discriminate against all foreigners and make them sign a register. The visa system and how it will attract much needed staff for the NHS makes the mind boggle.

The Repel Bill also could end the possibility of transition due to clause 6 which requires us to leave the ECJ. Given the May's ambition to make EU citizens display their stars in job applications this is totally unable to the EU. If it passes the chances of transition drop dramatically. Bye bye Smooth and Orderly.

Then there is the May-Bot paradox: the one were she gives a friendly speech to the EU and a nasty on to the Swivel Eyed Loon gathering. As if neither will be reported to the other audience.

On top of this May is attempting the Parliament Rigging Act as she has a 'majority Government'. Yep I know, this is the general election version of 'will of the people'. The Rigging Act seeks to stack parliamentary committees with Tory majorities so they can stop any bill they don't like getting anywhere need the main chamber this limiting the power of opposition to irrelevant. Sadly I think this one will get through due to maths of the HoC atm.

We shouldn't forget the role of the HoL though and the lack of a majority government (why do you think May is saying majority government? It's down to the Sewell convention and trying to make the case it applies when the argument is it doesn't for a minority government).

The other development is the rumours that Boris is for the boot. And Rees-Mogg might get a promotion.

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Cailleach1 · 16/09/2017 16:42

Johnson's 10 point of musings have been reported on Sky as a 'detailed plan for Brexit'.

Did he publish another plan?

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 16:43

Im specifically talking about leave voters (so obv mean the uk)
If you mean Greece and italy - paying taxes in Greece and italy has long been seen as optional/quaint
And look how well that's working out for them!
Other EU member nations who have higher taxes have high quality public services...but don't take my word for it....check out the recently released stats for global quality of life
Amazingly those countries that spent money on education health and transport have far happier healthy people
I know
Mind blowing right?

Somerville · 16/09/2017 16:47

I've just caught up in the last thread, and this, after a few weeks of avoiding political news. It's all rather alarming.

Have any other Irish passport holders living in the UK been on the receiving end of potentially discriminatory sudden rule changes? I've encountered two in the past month - the most worrying is that one of my children not longer qualifies for their school scholarship, as they've changed the rules to say that only parents with British passports qualify.

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 16:48

Somerville...are you dual nationality?

Peregrina · 16/09/2017 16:56

Somerville - is that an Independent school? I assume that they can make whatever rules they like about scholarships. Although they might find that they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

KilgoreTroutV · 16/09/2017 16:56

Amazingly those countries that spent money on education health and transport have far happier healthy people

Like Scotland you mean? Spending £300 per person more than they are bringing in through taxes. Clearly Nicola Sturgeon had the same maths teacher as Diane Abbott... That's definitely gonna be long term recipe for success.

Peregrina · 16/09/2017 16:59

I think they were thinking of Germany and Scandinavia, where they pay higher taxes but have good public services.

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 17:00

Interesting article:

What is turning so many young men into internet trolls

There's misogyny, of course. But sometimes it's boredom, a need for attention, or a grievance against a world that is passing them by. An academic specialist in online behaviour asks, how should we treat these disparate kinds of abuser

www.theguardian.com/media/2013/aug/03/how-to-stop-trolls-social-media

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 17:01

I think scots are a lot happier than a lot of brits atm!
Apart from leavers obv
New Albion etc etc.....

TheElementsSong · 16/09/2017 17:01

Look over there! A squirrel!

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 17:01

Have any other Irish passport holders living in the UK been on the receiving end of potentially discriminatory sudden rule changes

Still in breach of Equalities Act though.

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 17:01

No! It's a unicorn!

LurkingHusband · 16/09/2017 17:07

Still in breach of Equalities Act though.

And ?

This government has already signalled - in deed if not word - that it cares not for the rule of law (yesterdays illegal deportation, for example).

Honestly, if all people can do is say "that shouldn't happen", then - frankly - it already has

pointythings · 16/09/2017 17:09

According to the definition used on Pointless, Scotland is not a country...

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 17:11

Yep. LH
I remember those olden days when the government didn't break the law, and allowed ordinary people to vote, and their representatives too.
Different times.

TheElementsSong · 16/09/2017 17:18

Badders Grin🦄

Somerville · 16/09/2017 17:19

Independent schools are subject to the Equality Act, and both race and religion are protected characteristics. The fact that I have an Irish passport and not British is based on both my race and religion. What I can't work out is whether removing a scholarship would count as unfair treatment under the law. Removing a place at the school would be (as it's not a religious school).

Badders No, I'm just Irish. (Whilst I could get a British passport at any time, wherever in the world I am living, because I was born in the north of Ireland, I would never do so.)
DH (my older children's stepfather) thinks I should keep my head below the parapet and fill in the forms as per last year (passport number is not requested). But I don't want to risk committing fraud, however stupid their rule.

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 17:19

Leo Varadkar set to block next stage of Brexit talks

www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/leo-varadkar-set-to-block-next-stage-of-brexit-talks-806207.html

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 17:21

Somerville, it might be worth messaging Jo Maugham, about this one.

Badders08 · 16/09/2017 17:35

I agree with woman
Totally illegal

Peregrina · 16/09/2017 17:45

Somerville - it depends how much of a fuss you want to make, but since we have recently seen schools like St Olave's making up their own rules and having to back down when challenged, it might be worth it.

What have you got in writing about this change, and what justification is given? I am now too cynical but they could probably weasel their way out of it citing academic grounds or some such.

woman11017 · 16/09/2017 17:51

And worth contacting the 3 million for advice too, somerville
It's plain racist. Flowers.
brexit is an english vote, and england excluding london.:

Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?
Somerville · 16/09/2017 17:57

Thanks for the advice. I really don't have much capacity for making a fuss right now (newborn), but at the same time I'm angry about what it means for Irish people (and others), and concerned for my child's education at that establishment (on several levels).

There's no reasoning given, just a sentence added, in bold, to the renewal form.

It's so depressing to suddenly be up against the same kind of obstacles that lead many of my peers into violent uprising.

Thanks all, and sorry for the me-rail.

Peregrina · 16/09/2017 18:01

I think then if I were you Somerville, I would just fill in the form as before, and if they challenge you call them out on their illegal action. It's not fraud if they are just making the rules up as they go along, IMO, but I am not a lawyer.

Peregrina · 16/09/2017 18:03

England excluding Oxford, Cambridge, and a few other cities too. Maybe we should declare ourselves city states?