Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

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It seems not many people have?

sentiment of being OK with massively throwing a spanner in other people's lives, and seeing doing that as "just one of those things"

Perhaps it's OK because EU citizens are all rich white men, apparently.

Or maybe, it's a terrible shame people's lives are being messed up, but they must understand that it's for the greater good of sovereignty and control.

Except when the UK tried to discuss EU citizenship for those already here the EU wanted to talk about a divorce payments. So not quite as you picture it.

The rest of the EU - we are still members, remember, has said all along what they want to start the discussions with. It's the UK Government which has shilly-shallied about, putting it politely.

Manclife - you are incorrect. The rights of EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU were discussed in the first substantive round of negotiations in July but came to a deadlock over ECJ involvement. The "divorce" payment - which, imo, is a far simpler matter - has dominated since, largely because the UK wants to concentrate on that rather than come up with a solution to the citizens' rights matter which is much more complex.

May and the ERG, and the Leave funders, would and are doing anything in order to gain executive control over the legislature; brexit' is irrelevant , but leavers are the ignorant foot soldiers in the march to fascism.

I am gifting leavers with ignorance, in mitigation of enabling, without a guilty mind, a racist, corrupt totalitarian regime to cede power.

If they don't understand the above. They should read some books. All classics available free online, there's no excuse for ignorance, comrades.

Montesquieu is a good place to start.

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Let's be crystal, next Tuesday Theresa May intends to rewrite the general election result and rob the people of this country of democracy

But, remember, it's the ghastly rich white men EU that are undemocratically controlling us and causing literally all our problems. Even the blackspot on my rose bushes.

I sincerely hope that all the Opposition Parties refer to May's legislation as an Enabling Act. The term will be completely lost on her, because she appears not to be a student of history, but there are significant numbers of people who will understand the reference.

Elements black spot on roses thrives in unpolluted air (no sulphur dioxide to kill off the fungus). So you can blame the EU and its environmental legislation that has reduced SO2 emissions ...

All the people that I know who voted leave would vote remain if another referendum came along. The misinformation, the propaganda, the poor handling of this whole situation is appalling. As for the EU dragging its feet? Not sure what media you are reading but I come from outside the whole lot and it is the EU waiting for the UK to move forward. The EU is not going to play softball for those that think they are being cruel for not accepting all of the UKs demands/wishlist. Why on earth would they!? It would be very stupid for the EU to come across as weak, which they aren't, while the UK is much weaker on its own, will make it certain for the remaining EU countries to not wish for the same fate. Goodbye wealth, hello poverty for the UK sadly. Those that use the times from before joining, you forget something very vital: Thatcher from 1979 privatized the UK!!! You do not have the same grounds for financial survival as you did prior to 1973. The world is not the same and you can not go back in time. Leave is a mistake for the British people as I see it.

I would almost vote leave if it meant keeping sovereignty of the legislature and uncorrupted elections, and re distribution of wealth.

Those alleged lexiteers argued that was their aim.

But those who bank rolled leave had a different agenda.

There would be more than a grim irony if labour got a landslide and enforced the above, and much else with a free reign over the executive.

The 'socialist workers' in charge of the labour party have exactly that desire.

We are caught between the competing factions of the ERG, Atlantic Bridge, ultra right across Russia and America and the cult of the SWP in labour.

None of which has much to do with brexit and has everything to do with an iron grip on power.

I voted Remain but I've read a lot more about it since the vote and, if I had my time again, I would vote Leave.

Tony - can I ask what has persuaded you? Genuine question .

Lalalonglegs I read "And the Weak Suffer What They Must" by Yanis Varoufakis. I understand his dodgy credentials but I found the book really engaging and persuasive

I also subscribed to the FT (through work, it's expensive!) which has really well-balanced arguments and gives a brilliant overall view of the financial picture of the EU. Some articles are very pro-EU and others are very anti-EU. What I find particularly useful are the comments on the FT articles which are usually well-crafted and obviously come from a place of knowledge and research (as opposed to comments on other newspaper websites!).

Golden dawn is keen on citing YF, I notice.

I didn't vote. If it happened now I would vote to stay.

Bewake - I bow to your obvious superiority, I of course am just an 'ignorant' leave voter!!

bewake has it about right. Brexit has nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the dark forces of the ultra-rich, ultra-right wing media (and other) moguls leading us a merry dance towards fascism.

No. I voted Leave and want us to get on with leaving.

I of course am just an 'ignorant' leave voter!!

I'm sure you're not, so I would love to hear your thoughts on the proposed Enabling Act which will symbolise the UK's triumph of the democratic will of the people against the undemocratic corrupt tyranny of the EU.

get on with leaving

And what might that look like?

get on with leaving
Isn't that what we've been doing since March? Going well, isn't it?

Elements - I presume you mean the European Union (withdrawal) Bill and not the German 1933 Enabling Act!
My simplistic view is that we do need to enact some legislation that will enshrine current EU law in ours. However I am not entirely clear why we need to enact Hendry the VIII laws to enable government to change laws in the future. I have not looked at it in enough detail to know exactly why they need these powers. But as the bill proceeds through Parliament I'm sure all the aspects of the bill will be aired and I can then take a view.

Elements - I presume you mean the European Union (withdrawal) Bill and not the German 1933 Enabling Act!

I am 100% sure that Elements knows exactly which Bill she is referring to. The point of calling it an Enabling Act is to remind people of history, and how there was a slippery slope leading to the Nazi atrocities. Don't say, it couldn't happen here - the same was said in 1920s Germany, it wouldn't happen, they were educated and cultured. It did happen.

But as the bill proceeds through Parliament I'm sure all the aspects of the bill will be aired and I can then take a view.
With Theresa May at the helm and totally in hock to the extreme right wing of her party, I am sure of nothing. Don't forget this is the Government which has a Home Office which has denied at least one British Citizen a passport and then told him to leave. And backtracked when the matter was publicised. (The young man from Lancashire, in case anyone has forgotten.)

^No Europeans need apply: evidence mounts of discrimination in UK
Exclusive: Government to investigate evidence EU nationals are being blocked from renting or buying properties and from getting jobs^

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/11/no-europeans-need-apply-growing-evidence-discrimination-uk-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw

May has promoted a 'hostile environment', deported the vulnerable, and then has the unfuckingmitigated audacity to feign surprise when the state's policies are adopted by landlords and businesses.

I am looking forward to an episode of Dr Who when May and Rudd travel back to work for the third reich.

Promoting a 'Hostile environment' is straight out of nazi Germany, I have that one on good authority, as they say.

Normalising the state imposed cruelty and racism means there are an army of 'public servants' including MPs apparently, inured to carrying out the state's crimes against humanity.

Yeah, because this doesn't happen in every other EU country does it? Christ, in Spain they won't even give you the free medical treatment your entitled to. They bill you and make you claim it back from your insurance.