Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

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It seems not many people have?

It was either that or get into a sarcastic pissing contest. I'm more interested in norovirus.

Norovirus absorbed through the eyes?!!!

Every day's a school day on MN.

It was either that or get into a sarcastic pissing contest. I'm more interested in norovirus.

😂 I actual lol’d at that

I think only small amounts of the virus is aerosolized, faecal-oral route is a more likely route of transmission. But yes, if you touch a surface that's been contaminated with norovirus then touch your nose, mouth or eyes, you could contract the infection.

It's a right bastard.

Umm. Just coming back on for fakenamefornow I most definitely have changed my vote leave to remain. However most people just assume I am an ardent remained as I have spent time since the vote trying to "make up" for my balls up.

FoM where I live means we have gangs - and I mean gangs- of beggars from Eastern Europe in the city centre. The Big Issue is now sold mainly by people from Easyern Europe. Christ knows where the Scottish beggars have gone but I do wonder.

Yet there is currently a campaign to try to prevent the extradition of someone from Australia who has lived here 23 years.

I appreciate certain sectors of the economy need immigrant workers. I don't see why that has to stop. But F of M means that anyone can pitch up, without a job, if they are from a certain club of countries. Outside of that club, you have no chance.

Nonsense.

Actually FOM doesn't mean that. Our government just chose not to apply the rules. May is now applying the rules with draconian measures. The plan to trawl bank accounts is over 3 years old and hasn't happened because the home office hasn't got its act together. It's going to cost millions and have a high false positive.
The likely outcome for the near future is positively contributing immigrants will leave (as they have options) and the other will stay. Oh and it is predicted that the false positives will be higher than any illegal immigrants found through trawling bank accounts and will freeze the assets of ordinary British families.

our government just chose not to apply the rules

This

FoM where I live means we have gangs - and I mean gangs- of beggars from Eastern Europe in the city centre. The Big Issue is now sold mainly by people from Easyern Europe

The UK could easily deport these people though, our own gov has chosen not to. Germany and Belgium both deport loads of EU nationals in situations like this. Didn't you know that they could be deported? I'll try to find a link to prove it for you and show that they do it in other EU countries. When you have seen this prove, will you continue to blame the EU and fom for this or will you rethink?

The UK could easily deport these people though, our own gov has chosen not to

Some areas have chosen to exercise controls on non-working EU migrants:

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/eastern-european-rough-sleepers-arrested-12605207

Seems a bit heavy-handed to me, like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, given that the vast majority of immigrants to the UK have a job. We've got low unemployment overall in the UK so it would be kinder to help these homeless people find employment (unless they have and they would rather beg? I've no idea but doubt our government adopt a sensible policy on the matter; that would involve humanity and common sense, of which they are lacking.

Missed a bracket and full stop off the end of my last paragraph. Hate that!

Free flow of labour stemmed as Belgium cracks down on migrants

www.ft.com/content/d736fe48-a912-11e3-bf0c-00144feab7de

It's too hard though isn't it? The reason the U.K. government hasn't is because of the astronomical task of doing so.

No wonder we have such low wage growth in the U.K.

I am also completely sympathetic to people who feel from the northern towns who feel their who towns have been transformed. People from different countries living in their own enclaves isn't helpful to community adhesion.

Immigration needs to happen more slowly and with proper resource to ensure integration can happen and is evenly spread across areas.

I remember that woman saying "I just want my home town back" and a commentator basically laughing at her for not realising that we are in a global society.

When that happens too quickly, people feel threatened and desperate and not listened to

It's too hard though isn't it?

No, it's not.

There was a court case about a decade ago in Germany that settled this issue of deporting EU nationals. It went all the way up to the highest court in Europe and set a precedent. EU nationals CAN be deported. I suspect the reason they haven't been in the UK is because most are working or self supporting and are not homeless or begging. Deporting the people who are homeless probably wouldn't make a noticeable difference to immigration figures because the numbers are low and so the gov can't be bothered.

If you object to EU nationals working here, well that's different, I don't think they can just be deported, they DO have rights.

My understanding is that deportation of EU citizens is limited to those who have committed a criminal offence. Countries however may refuse registration and access to associated benefits or services for those who do not meet the FOM criteria (Belgium does this I believe).

In the last couple of years the UK govt has been deporting homeless EU nationals by, essentially, criminalising homelessness. You don't hear about these cases because by and large the individuals concerned are too poor and too vulnerable (eg drug or alcohol addicted) to kick up a fuss. But it is likely that some of these deportations concern people who had already acquired a right to remain under EU law.

Thinking about the EU nationals begging, do you think Brexit will put an end to that?

Unless you are wanting a system were everybody visiting the UK needs to get a visa first then EU nationals will still be free to come here, once here, they can beg or sleep rough, the only thing they won't be able to do is just rock up and get a job. I don't see Brexit giving the gov any more powers to deport people begging or rough sleepers than it does now unless we have blanket visas for all visitors.

Just wondering which "northern towns" you're talking about, squirmy? Ones near me were all "transformed" (your words, you could also say "saved") well over 50 years ago when people were brought in from the Indian subcontinent to make up for a lack of labour in the textile mills. Lots of northern towns are culturally very diverse, much more so than the southern, all white, leave voting area that I grew up in . No idea what their beef with immigrants is as there must be about 20 in the whole county.

I don't get why people think there will be more jobs when immigrants leave. It will negatively effect our economy and likely cause job losses.
We have near full unemployment. The reality is there won't be enough people to do jobs, orders will be unfilled, services won't be able to be provided and companies will lose contracts and some companies will fold.
When I left uni the job market was crap. It wasn't because of immigration (I'm too old). It was because the economy was crap. Back to the bad old days.