Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

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It seems not many people have?

Ah, so working and paying taxes is a problem now?

Could you provide data on how frequently this 'milking the system' occurs?

I was on the fence for a long time regarding my vote, starting looking into it and voted the way i did

So i lurk on these threads and see arguments from both sides of the debate and i cant tell you the amount of times i have read a 'leave' reason for voting and thought 'yep that makes sense, i can see why people would be unhappy with that'

Luckily i dont stay torn for long as 'milking the system ', 'freedom' and 'shackles' comments usually make me realky glad i voted the way i did

Barebehind Can you tell me that being in the EU for the last 20 years improved the economy in the NE or that remaining would improve the declining situation?

The coal industry and ship building went under thatcher.

Link below but in summary

100 000 jobs linked to exporting via Newcastle airport.

EU tourism. About £ 90m.

£800 million in payments from the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy.

The North East Local Enterprise Partnership £433m.
Tees Valley Local Enterprise Partnership receives £162.5m.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/what-european-union-ever-done-11480870

Between 2009 and 2015, Britain was on the losing side of 12 per cent of QMV decisions. By contrast, France was on the losing side of less than 1 per cent of votes. The areas where Britain was most often outvoted included the EU budget and EU foreign and security policy.

But which issues were they voting on? Wasn't there a motion to make rape in marriage illegal and Britain got voted down - I'm cool with that.

No I haven't changed my mind and I dont know anyone who has from any side. I do wish they'd just get on with it rather than all this fannying about.

I find it amazing that mps are saying 'we don't know what a hard brexit will look like but we wont want it anyway'. I do think some real detail needs to be put down on paper.

I also find it odd that our local high school has been quoted in our local paper saying that Brexit will be bad for recruiting teachers from the EU and they then go on to say they have never recruited teachers from the EU anyway .

@Bearbehind I've no issue with people working and paying taxes but for the UK to then support children abroad I'm not okay with.

Costs the UK about £55m a year.

@sashh

But which issues were they voting on? Wasn't there a motion to make rape in marriage illegal and Britain got voted down - I'm cool with that.

Have you something to support that! If not I'm calling BS!

Costs the UK about £55m a year.

That's like the £350m bus argument.

Even if the figure were accurate, it's gross. As it's a reciprocal agreement, the net figure is lower.

Why do Leavers insist on only looking at one side of the situation?

Still, I suppose every penny saved counts when the people you voted to 'take back control' need to pay £1bn to the DUP simply to buy their vote for no other reason than their arrogance caused them to throw away the majority they had

Meant to add that if the children were here you'd be moaning that they were taking up school places etc so they can't win really?

Okay, firstly you didn't even know it was an issue. Yes it's gross but even then the UK pays out more then they get back. Of and your assuming I voted Tory simply because I voted Brexit. You know that they say about assuming things.

Of course I knew it was an issue, in that it happens in regulated circumstances.

The way you worded it made it sound like every immigrant who came here got child benefit to send home. Not that it was only earned by tax paying immigrants on a reciprocal basis.

I wasn't talking about the vote at the GE either. I was talking about voting Leave.

That choice has put the party of the day in charge and look how well that's working out?

How do you begin to justify the abolishion of a reciprocal agreement where we fare slightly less well versus throwing much more significant sums of money away for no other reason than to buy votes?

"1)Jo Bloggs Public won't get money back, it will fritter away in other ways

But we get to choose what we fritter it away on

2)Lots of people will still come into UK that other folk don't approve of

But at least we can choose who we allow in and under what circumstances"

Who is this collective "we"? I won't be choosing. If the Brexit base gets their way (get what what they insist the referendum meant) then I REALLY won't get an outcome of my choice on these issues. There is no "We". There is only You Lot getting what You wanted.

@lljkk "There is only You Lot getting what You wanted."

I think you'll find that's what a democracy is.

So we're back to the 'we won, you lost' stance in lieu of any credible argument- perfect

Given the UKIPers spent 25 years of moaning how much they hated being in Europe, I have AT LEAST 25 years of moaning to get on with about how much I hate being out of Europe.

A democracy where the party that didn't win a majority can pay the DUP to form one? Great.
A democracy where the population of the uk are railroaded into a future which none of us voted for (did you see hard Brexit on the ballot)?
A democracy where over half of the population are ignored and epoch-defining changes are implemented because of an extremely slim majority on a single vote?

You may have faith in our democracy but to me it looks to be on incredibly shaky ground right now.

Again, you haven't demonstrated how any of the changes will actually benefit us. Yes we can do all those things (most of which we could do before), but why do you think our government will do them better? What if they don't? What if your massive gamble results in economic deprivation for a generation? Brexit to me just represents a huge area of risk and I would want concrete evidence that the gains were worth the risk before I supported it. I have seen none, nada, zip. Just spurious guff about getting rid of immigrants and implementing wonderful new laws for no apparent reason. Where are the rock solid economic reasons? With evidence, and proper research behind them, not some sound bites from a hard right focus group/institute.

Tbh, it's not your fault man that we have the weakest government that I have seen in my lifetime. It's just a bit beyond me why leavers put their faith in them. I'm a strong remainer but even I would have given greater consideration to the leave campaign if there had been some decent, reputable and competent people supporting it. Just one look at the sack of shite tories supporting it though was enough to convince me it was not a good thing, and that's before we even get to Farage! I mean IDS, Redwood and Gove- COME ON! There not exactly the cream of the political crop, more like the opportunistic barrel scrapings.

*They're

Haven't heard a good rant about the government in a while so got carried away

Bearbehind, it's not a case of we won you lost. But when people say it's not fair 'they' lost as an argument what else am I to say? I have given rational arguments as to why I chose to leave and I've not heard ANY rationale the the contrary other than personal opinion.

Bolshy, I rarely vote as I don't trust politicians for the reasons you mentioned. We do have a democracy because if the public don't like the £1b bribe then they vote them out. Or in the mean time complain to their MP it's why they're there.

I have demonstrated how it would benefit us you just disagree with me.

I have demonstrated how it would benefit us you just disagree with me

You really haven't.

I've yet to see a single argument in which any benefits counter the obvious and immediate downsides.

I voted remain and would do so again. No one has a fucking clue what will/won't happen or beneficial/disaster after we've left

"I've yet to see a single argument in which any benefits counter the obvious and immediate downsides."

Ah now I can't just say here are the benefits ive now got to give pro v con analysis?

@CleopatraCatLover so would should just coast along as we are just in case?

ah now I can't just say here are the benefits ive now got to give pro v con analysis?

That's how it works though.

As far as I can see all you've listed is a miniscule saving in ending a reciprocal agreement in which we fared slightly worse than other EU countries.

You haven't begun to counter the issues with NI, lack of access to the Singie Market etc.

To be fair, your head appears to be in the same place DD's is- list any possible upside and ignore the downsides.

Your logic is akin to 'if I burn my house down I won't need to pay council tax'

I was a reluctant remainer, now I am a strong remainer. Can't believe the mess we are in now with no clear way out. No plan. Take back control my arse. It has made me realise how entitled we are as a nation and frankly I'm embarrassed.
I know one leave voter well, who had the same reaction as eolians mum. The 1975 vote didn't go their way and they wanted to rectify that
I know another who's much younger and is horrified goes it's panning out.
I'm so angry at David Cameron. Fuckwit