Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

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It seems not many people have?

Still for the life of me can't see why British people want these old power hungry mad men who don't even live here deciding our fate

Because I quite like having a right to life. I also think we are better off arguing about bananas and door frames rather than actually fighting with guns and bombs.

You voted to leave the eu because you want housing for your kids.

Riiight.

Still for the life of me can't see why British people want these old power hungry mad men who don't even live here deciding our fate

Aside from the fact many in the British government could equally be described as 'old power hungry mad men', can you cite any examples where 'our fate has been decided for us' by the EU?

Something we've had no say in and it has had a detrimental affect on our lives?

Barebehind Can you tell me that being in the EU for the last 20 years improved the economy in the NE or that remaining would improve the declining situation?

1. We’d get our money back
2. We could decide who comes into our country 3)We could make our own laws again
3. Our courts would have the final say over those laws
4. We wouldn’t have to accept decisions forced on us by other countries 6 )We wouldn’t have to listen to lots of European presidents
5. We wouldn’t have to listen to, or fund, the European Commission
6. We wouldn’t have to worry about Turkey
7. We could set our own tax rates
8. We could support British companies in trouble

But hey, what do I know I'm just a racist Brexit voter!

The question is, mancliffe, whether any of those things will actually benefit the uk. They look great in a Daily Mail piece about Brexit but how will they benefit uk citizens. Will the money we get back be evenly distributed (EU were pretty good at funding parts of the uk traditionally neglected by our government) or will it all get sucked into london? Will our government institute a sensible immigration policy that doesn't penalise the NHS or businesses or will they gp for a daily mail friendly "BAN THE FORRINERS" approach? Are our courts so vastly superior? Do you really really think our governments are any better at setting laws than the EU (and incidentally, we already set our own laws and input into EU ones, so that's a load of tosh from the off)? Do you think that trade deals with countries like the us and china will involve them sticking to our rules or the other way round? If we're dependent on such countries for our economy, do you think we'll still have to accept decisions from other countries?

Your vision for post Brexit Britain is pretty dependent on us having an honest, accountable and highly competent government. Just like the one we have now, hey

Can you tell me that being in the EU for the last 20 years improved the economy in the NE or that remaining would improve the declining situation?

I truly don't understand your logic here.

The situation in the NE is the result of successive British governments failing to address the issue.

Being a member of the EU wasn't supposed to and wasn't intended to resolve those issues.

If anything, being in the EU has helped the area with grants and the fact Nissan are based there.

How is leaving the EU going to improve the situation?

1)Jo Bloggs Public won't get money back, it will fritter away in other ways
2)Lots of people will still come into UK that other folk don't approve of
3)Yet some Brexiters were incensed at thought of Parliament making our laws - not sure they know what they want.
4) See Previous, some Brexiters strongly opposed courts ruling on our laws
5) Why do Brexiters think UK had no representation or that the EU procedure isn't fundamentally consensus driven? The process is the antithesis of forcing rules on anyone - Any rules are always what we agreed to already
6)Whatever our membership status, what Europe does will affect us, of course we should pay attention
7)If we want to trade with EU, we have to follow their standards & procedures. We would just switch to a lobbying role not a member role in making those rules.
8)I'm very worried about Turkey regardless of their EU affiliate status; It's a strategic NATO member bordering on authoritarian madness
9) imho, not good for UK to become an offshore tax haven from EU
10) SMEs have declining trust in good Brexit outcomes.

@Bolshybookworm the truth is I don't know what the future will hold. But I'm confident enough in the UK that once released from the shackles of the EU we will do better.

It's like being in an unhappy relationship. Some are happy to accept their fate, others seek greener pastures. Till we try there's no knowing which is best for the UK.

After the events of last summer (the attempted coup and subsequent civil liberties abuses in Turkey, not the referendum) there is no way Turkey will be joining the EU.

1) We’d get our money back

It's looking like Brexit is going to cost more than our net contributions in terms of tariffs/ administration/ infrastructure or just continued contributions without rebates.

2) We could decide who comes into our country

We always could, we just chose not to

3)We could make our own laws again

We always could and did

4) Our courts would have the final say over those laws

Can you name any laws we didn't get a say in?

5) We wouldn’t have to accept decisions forced on us by other countries

As above, can you give any examples where this has been an issue?

6 )We wouldn’t have to listen to lots of European presidents

As 5

7) We wouldn’t have to listen to, or fund, the European Commission

As 1 and 5

8) We wouldn’t have to worry about Turkey

We haven't left Europe and Turkey aren't going to join the EU.

9) We could set our own tax rates

We already do

10) We could support British companies in trouble

Why couldn't we do that before?

How is leaving the EU going to improve the situation?

It's quite simple.

Literally everything bad that has ever happened to the UK is the fault of the EU, who are simply overlords not associated with the noble British people in any way (because, in this scenario, we were bizarrely not members of the union but simply it's downtrodden victims).

Therefore once we leave, all the wonders of the universe forcibly withheld from us will shower upon us. The hated overlords will henceforth depart, never to darken our skies again. Except the EMA and other agencies, and EHIC, and science funding, those will be staying because, um

@lljkk most of your replies don't actually tackle the issues raised

1)Jo Bloggs Public won't get money back, it will fritter away in other ways

But we get to choose what we fritter it away on

2)Lots of people will still come into UK that other folk don't approve of

But at least we can choose who we allow in and under what circumstances

For me it's about choice. If the UK wants to remove tax from tampons it shouldn't have to get permission from other countries.

If the EU courts think that a man wanted for rape hiding, by choice, in an embassy is being 'unlawfully detained' then I want well away from those judges.

Regardless the decisions been made so me trying to argue for it is a bit pointless.

Shocker, the tax issue was about tampons!

Do you really not look further than the Daily Mail headlines?

@Bearbehind it's the most obvious and most outrageous example. Why would I not use it?

5. We wouldn’t have to accept decisions forced on us by other countries

Many EU decisions are taken under “qualified majority voting” rules, where countries’ voting weights depend on their size. That means countries can be outvoted, forced to accept decisions with which they disagree. Britain is outvoted more often than any other country. Between 2009 and 2015, Britain was on the losing side of 12 per cent of QMV decisions. By contrast, France was on the losing side of less than 1 per cent of votes. The areas where Britain was most often outvoted included the EU budget and EU foreign and security policy.

3. We could make our own laws again

Some British laws are passed and implemented because of decisions made at an EU level. Business For Britain, a pro-Leave group, reckons 65 per cent of new British laws are made in Brussels. The House of Commons Library says that between 1993 and 2014, a total of 231 Acts of Parliament were passed because of EU membership, 24 per cent of the total. In 2010, the UK government estimated that about 50 per cent of UK legislation with “significant economic impact” originates from EU legislation.

The economics of the Sunderland car plant are dependent on the customs union and single market. Both of which we will now leave.

The government has and will make deals with Nissan to try to keep it open. But the moment that the just in time assembly plant begins to falter because there are customs problems then Nissan will make plans to move to the continent.

Then where will the NE be?

Because it doesn't prove your point- in fact it does the opposite.

We had already agreed exemption from tampon taxes which proves the EU doesn't enforce s one size fits all approach in all instances,

But it didn't happen straight away, yes it's been sorted but took ages to sort out. Had it but simply a UK decision it could been sorted out much sooner. Why should we need to seek permission to make morally right decisions? We shouldn't.

manclife just because laws are implemented by the EU that doesn't automatically make them bad.

Can you give an example of one which we should overturn?

Child benefit being paid to children who have never set foot in the UK.

What EU law says we had to do that?

I voted remain, largely because I was concerned about the instability that would result in the medium term. I have two teeenagers who will be entering the labour market and I didn't want them doing that in the middle of a recession. That seems likely to happen. However I am really disappointed by the lack of leadership by all politicians. If we've voted out we need to pull together and believe in ourselves if we're going to make a go of Brexit. I've always said we're a small island that punches well above its weight. There's a real lack of that positivity at the moment. I didn't vote for Tony Blair but I really think his 'Cool Brittania' attitude helped revive this country in the late 90s. We need that now

@Bearbehind

Under existing EU rules, the country where a person works and pays taxes is responsible for paying her family benefits, no matter where in the EU her children live.

So, pretend to sell the big issue (makes you self employed) then milk the system for (amongst other thing) the several kids you have back in your home country.