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Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

746 replies

fakenamefornow · 07/09/2017 09:07

It seems not many people have?

OP posts:
MsHooliesCardigan · 21/09/2017 13:13

I could totally buy the idea that Boris is trying to get sacked. I don't think TM should let him off the hook that easily. And anyway, she didn't resign or get kicked out after squandering millions of £ and weeks of precious negotiating time on a pointless GE and losing her majority.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 21/09/2017 13:19

Why the hell didn't this happen in the first place? Why?

I was convinced the water supply at Westminster had been spiked with ketamine, last summer. I had visions of Cameron hiding out at Chequers on a massive comedown, all sweaty-palmed and slack-jawed, ringing round his contacts for diazepam. I have a vivid imagination, mind Grin

woman11017 · 21/09/2017 17:56

To go back to the OP, does this help?

Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?
howabout · 22/09/2017 09:34

Not really. Prediction comparison is surely the £850 per household short run figure against the past EU actual cost of £317? Also should the £317 be netted from the £850?

Not really convinced by Treasury / OBR based forecasting pre 2016. OBR predicted £51 bn government deficit for 2016/17 and actual was £46 bn. They are predicting £58 bn for 2017/18 but per yesterday's August figures the actual looks to be on the same £46 bn path as last year. The cumulative level of inaccuracy is about £350m on a bus.

cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit10.pdf

www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/august2017

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/09/2017 08:01

some good news at last for those - the majority- of leavers who voted brexit because of immigration.

Nearly 10000 nhs workers (eu) have left since the ref.

(It's quite odd that posters insist nothing has happened negative or positive since the ref- perhaps they just mean to them personally)

Anyway, this must bring a smile to a few faces today.

DrivenToDespair · 23/09/2017 08:14

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MichaelFabricantsHair · 23/09/2017 10:10

I wouldn't say the majority, histiny, if this report was anything to go by?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-voters-against-deport-eu-citizens-study-lse-oxford-a7889241.html

As you said the other day, plenty of leave voters had the bizarre and nonsensical view that leaving the EU would somehow end non-EU migration, the tools. It's more likely to increase, if anything! Which I find deliciously ironic.

Figmentofmyimagination · 23/09/2017 11:21

Oh dear - why are we doing this?

www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n18/swati-dhingra/how-not-to-do-trade-deals

woman11017 · 23/09/2017 11:29

Moody's report on economic prospects may have pre empted this, but less than 200 signature needed now to hit target for this petition:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200634

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/09/2017 11:56

whatever motivated people to get behind farages, Johnson, davis', Rees might sensible leave campaign, they can feel very proud of themselves today.

The immigrants are going and the economy is doing badly. Whoop!

SnowBells · 23/09/2017 12:29

Late in the game here, but entire family voted remain. Continue to believe ‘remain’ is right.

However much Brexiteers on this thread hate Juncker and co. — seriously.... Farage, Gove, Johnson & Co. are about a thousand times worse. FGJ & Co. seem to benefit from a ‘slapstick comedy’ look that seems to allow them to be idiots and yet not really be blamed for it. Hmm

MichaelFabricantsHair · 23/09/2017 12:33

Well those people might just want to hold back with their misplaced pride, because there's nothing to say those EU NHS workers have actually left the UK, with just 24% stating that they have relocated. Some of those staff members will also be on maternity leave or a career break. Career breaks are often used by NHS staff for travelling or as in my case, recovery from serious illness.

fullfact.org/health/nhs-staff-eu-one-year-referendum/

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/09/2017 12:46

Just 24%. Grin

Meh, my friend's cardiologist nephew AND her GP nephew decided not to come to Britain after all.

They're going to somewhere they will feel more welcome.

All through the ref threads, we have EU families saying they are looking at going elsewhere.

Why wouldn't they? They're not stupid. They know this is what the (majority) of people voted for.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/09/2017 12:56

The British Medical Association said the findings mirrored its own research, which found that four in 10 EU doctors were considering leaving, with a further 25% unsure about what to do since the referendum.

As the MN brexitteers like to say, "Don't slam the door on the way-out..."

MichaelFabricantsHair · 23/09/2017 13:05

Well that did leave 76% remaining; when you're used to 52% being touted as an overwhelming majority, you can lose persepective Grin

Peregrina · 23/09/2017 13:08

4 in 10 is 40%, and then the 25% of the remaining 60% is 15%. So that makes 55% thinking of leaving or not sure. Which is most definitely an overwhelming majority.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 23/09/2017 13:12

I wasn't quoting the BMA's findings, Peregrina.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 23/09/2017 13:15

Another 24% resigned their post voluntarily because they “relocated”

That's where I got my 76% figure from. I may not have passed my maths GCSE but I can manage basic arithmetic Grin

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/09/2017 13:20

Its a victory for Leavers either way.

TheElementsSong · 23/09/2017 13:24

Surely every foreigner who leaves is a victory for Brexit, another little step to the goal of ending FOM. High fives all round?

MichaelFabricantsHair · 23/09/2017 13:35

What’s striking – and no one is talking about – is that British voters prefer EU to non-EU migrants Taken from blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/06/05/uk-voters-including-leavers-care-more-about-reducing-non-eu-than-eu-migration/

So I think those that voted to reduce non-EU immigration were quite obviously deluded and are about to be bitterly disappointed. They ought to have been careful what they wished for.

BoneyBackJefferson · 23/09/2017 14:31

TheElementsSong
Surely every foreigner who leaves is a victory for Brexit

Only if you fail to understand that not all brexiters voted the way they did due to foreigners.

TheElementsSong · 23/09/2017 14:40

Did I say all Brexiteers? I did have the context of ending FOM in my post.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 23/09/2017 14:41

The Brexiters on this thread have been very clear that they want FOM to stop. When I said that there were other reasons to vote leave, they insisted FOM was the big one. Some have said they feel their views on immigration have been silenced. (Of course, they didn't want to discuss how exactly they were silenced but they said it nevertheless).

I can't see why they won't be delighted to hear that Doctors are leaving or thinking of leaving in their thousands. Its a clear step in the right direction.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 23/09/2017 14:46

Only if you fail to understand that not all brexiters voted the way they did due to foreigners

You're more likely to find Elvis and Shergar working in your local chippy than that ever happening. You can repeat yourself ad infinitum but you'll always be the Devil incarnate round these parts Wink

My remainer mum still loves me and doesn't treat me any differently, which is a comfort Grin