Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

[fakenamefornow]

It seems not many people have?

Can I ask, politely and calmly.:

You can ask Brandnew, but you won't get an answer out of me, I'm afraid.
Perhaps other Leave voters will though.

I'm not trying to be rude to you personally by not responding, but endless hysterical posturing from a clique of hardcore remoaners on these threads since last June led me to stop engaging months & months ago.

I think that wrt to the EU & Brexit Nigel Farage has been a legend.

Other stuff he says/does I don't agree with - but Brexit? I'm with him on that.

Sigh.

I'm not trying to be rude to you personally by not responding, but endless hysterical posturing from a clique of hardcore remoaners on these threads since last June led me to stop engaging months & months ago.

faith, we all know that is complete and utter nonsense.

If you didn't want to engage you wouldn't still be here.

The reality is you simply can't respond to the question asked.

It really is playground mentality to continue this ' I could tell you but I don't want to'.

If you're so full of hope for the future, why can't you share that.

Why can't you tell us doubters what we have to look forward to?

*One of the things that strikes me most is the very high ongoing, sustained levels of anxiety and anger among those who voted to remain.

It makes me wonder what is feeding that.*

Wow. Could you be any more condescending? For those of us in EU/GB marriages, we don't have the luxury of "just being kind to ourselves". Not knowing whether your family will have the right to stay together, not knowing whether spending thousands of pounds on acquiring citizenship is the right move, not knowing whether we will lose our jobs/healthcare/pension rights- all of these are pretty anxiety-inducing don't you think? And that's before you factor in the personal attacks and toxic atmosphere.

stop engaging months & months ago.

So why keep going

I dont think you're being rude but why keep coming back?

I usually lurk on these threads for information, but if people stop engaging then most of the threads will end...if thats what you want why dont you do it

all of these are pretty anxiety-inducing don't you think?

Apparently it's all in your head, and can be overcome with cheerful thoughts . So, just stop being hysterical, melodramatic and outraged. And if you insist on carrying on in this negative frame, you're oppressing Leavers.

Ive just flicked through the last few pages

A number of posters who voted leave last year can certainly give some of the posters who voted remain last year a run for their money in the melodrama stakes

There have been more cries of 'freedom' than Mel Gibson had in braveheart

(Yes i know 'posters who voted reman last year' is really long winded but im bored of the leaver/remainer schtick)

@britainelects 12m12 minutes ago

On the way in which the government is handling the Brexit negotiations:
Approve: 40%
Disapprove: 60%

corcory
You said on this thread
Just in the last few remain posts I can add Traitor, fascist, Nazi and patronising to the long list of vile adjectives used by many on these threads to describe leavers. It is simply ridiculous.
I went back and pointed out the fascist comment was aimed at Farage and the traitor comment at Thomas Mair.

Now you are saying
The point I was making that seems to have been lost on many of you is that the Brexit threads have started having loads about fascists and Nazis on them, the suggestion that we are heading for a fascist state and that the recent bill has a resemblance to the Enabling Act in Germany in 1933 is not lost on me. The idea that there in an extreme right wing to the conservative party that has some ulterior motive to turn the UK into a fascist state seems quite popular with remain posters on these treads. NF has nothing to do with the government he is not and never was the 'leader of the leave' campaign. Want he is up to will have no impact on Brexit he is not in power but he is forever being mentioned.
These two posts are contradictory to each other and totally confusing.

This is the kind of thing that means I cannot grasp the leave position at all, it's so muddled.

I didn't vote because I am French.
Sorry, I haven't read all the posts because it is quite depressing but I wanted to say this to the brexiters:

1.We are not numbers, we are human beings.

1. My DH and I did not come to this country to steal your jobs. We were offered an opportunity and we took it. You don't have enough mechanical engineers here, so British companies recruit abroad.

1. We have been told: "go back to our country you f-ing foreigners". That hurt. A lot. Our home is here now. We pay a fortune in taxes and rent, but this is our home.

I am saying this but we aren't even the worse off!
We can go back to our country where we have friends. What about people who have been living here for decades? Married to Brits, with British children? Those whose country of origin is not offering them what they aspire to?

Sorry I am ranting. I've been angry and sad at the situation for more than a year now. I'm tired.

I probably shouldn't have opened this thread!

So Bear - how do you suggest I 'disassociate myself from these type of people'?
NF, and all these others like racists, Nazis and fascists would all 'obviously' be leave voters according to loads of remainers. Thus we are all from the same mould don't you know. I don't know how many times I have stated I am not a racist and explained my views on FOM but apparently that isn't enough. So now I am supposed to disassociate myself from these people!! It just goes on and on. Round and round.

Allegretto - I hardly think anyone would have any problem with you, in your circumstances being anxious about the out come for you and your family. I have a friend in the exact same position but she is a single mother having divorced her abusive British husband and is worried shitless that she will be deported. I really don't think the poster was speaking about you, but about the others who constantly find links, come up with conspiracy theories and try and suggest we leavers are something we are not - these totally unfeeling, hard nosed, self centred types who are not interested in what anyone else is going through, so not true.

matoo

voted with my nose held shut to leave because, mainly, I objected to the escalation of federalism. I asked my child, who was a month short of voting for a steer, as I shall live with the consequences for less time than he will; he said leave.

I could happily live within the EU as a community of states that cooperate on security and customs/trade and science and educational issues with a broad range of views on culture taken into consideration. I was unhappy with the EU Bureaucrat's view I read in The Times that no-one without a degree should be eligible to vote. It may have been said flippantly, but as the only person of my family with a degree, I felt it dismissed my parents (holding serious non university level qualifications including service commissions and high level nursing qualifications) from proper representation.

FWIW, I think most smaller EU countries are closer to the UK POV than the Commission's members.

OC

I did the same for ds1

He was about 6 months off but very politically minded

So Quinten - why did either posters mention a Traitor or fascism in a thread about Brexit if it is not to infer that this has anything to do with the leave camp?

What I was trying to explain in my later post is that there have been lots more inferences about Nazis and fascists in the last day or two since parliament has started to debate the recent referendum bill. Why would people bring this up if it isn't to infer that we leavers all think like this. It has certainly been inferred that we all must be racists don't forget.

The idea that there in an extreme right wing to the conservative party that has some ulterior motive to turn the UK into a fascist state seems quite popular with remain posters on these treads.

The thing is Corcory - we judge them on what they say and do. We don't have the excuse that the Germans of the 1920s had, that they really didn't know what might happen. We do.

Farage was all to visible during the run up to the Referendum and beyond. There is no escaping that for many he was the face of Leave. Saying he's a Fascist isn't saying that all Leave voters are fascists, but many of his followers are.

Loads of posts accused people who voted remain last year (must find a way of shortening that) of being traitors

PWVR
PWVL

Thatll do...i wont remember it though

Dammit

Forgot the last year bit

PWVLLY
PWVRLY

Well, I'll make sure to tell my friends that they're being hysterical and melodramatic . I am intensely envious of their ability to leave this tainted isle, if I'm honest. If I was ten years younger I'd be out of here like a shot. I, for one, am not enjoying the return to the casual racism of the 70s/80s.

Don't forget the known to be former fascist newspapers accused the Supreme Court Judges of being traitors. Straight out of the Nazi copybook.

There have been lots of posts about Nazism and Fascism in the last few days because of the way May and her Government are trying to make a power grab and ignore Parliament. We have a Parliamentary Democracy - there has been no Referendum to ask whether we still want to keep or abolish that. The parallels with the development of Nazism in Germany are getting too frequent for some of us. The Germans were educated and cultured and yet sunk into barbarism. Don't let anyone kid themselves that we are made of a finer clay than the average German then, because we are not.

Nigel Farage is much admired by Fascists and has expressed Fascist views in the past www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-fascist-nazi-song-gas-them-all-ukip-brexit-schoolfriend-dulwich-college-a7185236.html%3famp

National Action are a banned Neo Nazi group who have praised Thomas Mair for murdering Jo Cox and suggested more MPs should be murdered. I think "traitor" is a mild description for a group who want to disrupt our country via murder.

Both posts were talking about Farage and Mair/Jo Cox's murder. Can we not mention these things? Are leavers so fragile that they can't admit some leave supporters are right twits?

There is a link between far right views/fascism and voting leave. Of course there is because far right neo-nazis believe in white supremacy and we are perceived as a historically white country (totally inaccurately but there you go).
It's like a Venn diagram. All neo Nazis are leavers but all leavers are neo Nazis (actually barely any are because not many people have such extreme views).
I don't understand why acknowledging this is an issue. Especially not when some posters (not you) seem very keen to link left wing views with remain voting.

*not all leavers are neo nazis, apologies

Don't let anyone kid themselves that we are made of a finer clay than the average German then, because we are not.
Well said. My grandparents (in the 90s) voted remain so as not to run the risk of a WW2 scenario happening again, that poem (First they came for.....) spells out the importance of challenging intolerance and fascism, yet we seem to be wilfully ignoring the lessons of the past.